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Gammonrider
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August 01, 2008, 10:39:55 PM »
Hallo.
How can I found out how many players we have on FIBS and what is my Ranking in this List??
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August 01, 2008, 11:38:20 PM »
Quote from: Gammonrider on August 01, 2008, 10:39:55 PM
Hallo.
How can I found out how many players we have on FIBS and what is my Ranking in this List??
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Michael ( Gammonrider)
When you log in to FIBS, in your command line type STAT.
There are 16287 registered users.
In the command line type RAT Gammonrider
You are ranked 2918.
To see the top 20 players, type RAT in the command line.
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don
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August 02, 2008, 01:06:26 AM »
New users should be aware of the extensive FIBS help system. This is ignored by every client that I know of. To access it, type "help" or "man" on the FIBS command line (many clients make this obscure too) or go to
http://fibs.com/CommandReference/index.html
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The actual command (RAT) mentioned by maria is "ratings". Type "help ratings" on the FIBS command line for more. (maria is correct in her description of usage of 'RAT' as far as she takes it.)
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August 02, 2008, 01:17:42 AM »
I didn't know that!
Wow! Thanks for the info, Maria, don, and PersianLord!
I learned a lot today. For as long as I have been playing on Fibs, I have never gotten into the actual list of commands for Fibs.
I guess I always do things backwards.
socksey
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blitzxz
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August 02, 2008, 07:18:13 AM »
Ratings command doesn't seem to work... From to gives only my own rating and top 20 doesn't work.
Player who has rating 193 has rank 6729. So that is propably the closest number of active players on fibs. Median is somewhere between 1523 and 1525.
I was really getting interested in these so I worked some distributions also.
1901+ 66
1798-1901 232
1699-1798 639
1601-1699 1102
1499-1601 1925
1399-1499 1693
1305-1399 689
1211-1305 248
193-1211 135
or
1901+ #+
1798-1901 ####+
1699-1798 ############+
1601-1699 ######################
1499-1601 ######################################+
1399-1499 ##################################
1305-1399 #############+
1211-1305 #####
193-1211 ##+
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www.DailyGammon.com
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August 02, 2008, 03:40:26 PM »
And similarly for Dailygammon
http://www.gellie.plus.com/Stats/DG_Ratings_Freq_Dist__Nov_1st_2007_to_Feb_1st_2008.htm
Interesting how both populations have the same starting rate of 1500 but the peak is (of established players, green) is higher.
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blitzxz
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Fibs ratings distribution
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August 03, 2008, 11:50:21 AM »
Here is fibs ratings distribution in november 2000.
http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi?view+888
Very interesting small change has happened. The number of players is almost identical but now there is less players in the tails and more close to avarage. Less variance in other words. What might be the reason for that?
Also the median is couple rating points lower then in 2000.
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.backgammon/msg/26df7ba20b6f549a
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August 03, 2008, 07:05:23 PM »
Quote from: blitzxz on August 03, 2008, 11:50:21 AM
Very interesting small change has happened. The number of players is almost identical but now there is less players in the tails and more close to avarage. Less variance in other words. What might be the reason for that?
I noticed these thinner tails too. It is probably the aggregate effect of the gBOTS: they take from the rich and give to the poor.
BTW: the Gini coefficient is less than 0.1; no need for digital Robin Hoods I'd say!
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August 04, 2008, 07:18:51 PM »
To some extent the rating system is distorted by a number of factors, which are well known and fairly obvious to all. Fibs ratings are only a very general guide and a median figure between a player's highest and lowest rating would be much more interesting. Would it be too hard to show that I wonder?
A rating system undistorted by droppers, bots, careful selection of opponents and limitations on match lengths is of course available to all those fibsters who play in Tomawaky's excellent Fibsleague. This is IMO a very accurate system and less liable to great fluctuations, as one can only play 70 or 80 matches a year.
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August 05, 2008, 09:23:21 AM »
Quote from: dorbel on August 04, 2008, 07:18:51 PM
Fibs ratings are only a very general guide and a median figure between a player's highest and lowest rating would be much more interesting. Would it be too hard to show that I wonder?
I already posted median.
It's somewhere between 1523 and 1525.
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August 05, 2008, 11:14:19 AM »
You misunderstood me. I meant the median figure for each player. The rating as displayed is a poor guide, because we can't know where the player is in his range. If we were given the median figure as well as the current rating, that would probably be a more accurate reflection of ability. Even better might be an average of the last 100 ratings that have been displayed for that player. Certainly there must be some better way of ranking players, that isn't so volatile.
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Quote from: dorbel on August 05, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
You misunderstood me. I meant the median figure for each player. The rating as displayed is a poor guide, because we can't know where the player is in his range. If we were given the median figure as well as the current rating, that would probably be a more accurate reflection of ability. Even better might be an average of the last 100 ratings that have been displayed for that player. Certainly there must be some better way of ranking players, that isn't so volatile.
Ou, you meant that. Max rating is also good and simple one if the avarage or "real" rating is clearly over 1500 and you have high experience. I would like if fibs would track also the max ratings.
And talking about volatility and luck in backgammon...
"This is IMO a very accurate system and less liable to great fluctuations, as one can only play 70 or 80 matches a year."
Low number of games in year means that flunctuations are small or more accurately slow but they last ages... Good or bad streak could last several years if you are only playing 70 or 80 matches in a year. This is even more clear if you play only couple times a year in high profile live tournaments (lots of players and big prizes). You're bad or good streak could easily last longer then your life time. Luck will cancel out in long run but the run just might be too long.
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Quote from: blitzxz on August 05, 2008, 12:40:05 PM
You're bad or good streak could easily last longer then your life time.
LOL! Now I know what people mean when they say they were dead lucky!
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August 05, 2008, 02:58:51 PM »
Quote from: dorbel on August 05, 2008, 11:14:19 AM
You misunderstood me. I meant the median figure for each player. The rating as displayed is a poor guide, because we can't know where the player is in his range. If we were given the median figure as well as the current rating, that would probably be a more accurate reflection of ability. Even better might be an average of the last 100 ratings that have been displayed for that player. Certainly there must be some better way of ranking players, that isn't so volatile.
Yeah, I've gone to a low in the upper 1600s to a high of 1924 (coincidently, the year that mookie was born). I'm sure my true rating is very close to that top number, perhaps even a bit above it, but it would be interesting to see where I average out.
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Quote from: blitzxz on August 05, 2008, 12:40:05 PM
Ou, you meant that. Max rating is also good and simple one if the avarage or "real" rating is clearly over 1500 and you have high experience. I would like if fibs would track also the max ratings.
And talking about volatility and luck in backgammon...
"This is IMO a very accurate system and less liable to great fluctuations, as one can only play 70 or 80 matches a year."
Low number of games in year means that flunctuations are small or more accurately slow but they last ages... Good or bad streak could last several years if you are only playing 70 or 80 matches in a year. This is even more clear if you play only couple times a year in high profile live tournaments (lots of players and big prizes). You're bad or good streak could easily last longer then your life time. Luck will cancel out in long run but the run just might be too long.
Exactly
Dorbel's proposal to judge players based on their FLG rating is nonsense, because statistical data will be far from enough to make any liable judgement on. In each FLG session, a player will play at most 12 matches (if he's enough lucky to get all his opponents to play) in a 2-month period, while regular fibsters play about 15 matches EVERY DAY.
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Quote from: PersianLord on August 06, 2008, 08:54:43 AM
because statistical data will be far from enough to make any liable judgement on
I didn't mean that... I only meant that changes are slow and last long with low number of games. It doesn't have to mean that it is also more inaccurate. FLG ratings seem correlate with fibs ratings and those correlate with analyzed snowie error rate. So I think they're both working fine.
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A rating system undistorted by droppers, bots, careful selection of opponents and limitations on match lengths is of course available to all those fibsters who play in Tomawaky's excellent Fibsleague. This is IMO a very accurate system and less liable to great fluctuations, as one can only play 70 or 80 matches a year.
I don't agree! My rating in Tomawaky's system is at 1467.72 with 2197 exp. I've never been that low in any other system, and this is taking into account that i won the Master A league once.
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Quote from: socksey on August 08, 2008, 12:25:44 AM
I don't agree! My rating in Tomawaky's system is at 1467.72 with 2197 exp. I've never been that low in any other system, and this is taking into account that i won the Master A league once.
You can't compare the actual numbers because players in flg are on avarage better then in fibs. There seem to be almost no players with under 1500 fibs rating. So most have lower ratings there then in fibs. And there always is those +-100 fluctuations.
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Quote from: socksey on August 08, 2008, 12:25:44 AM
I don't agree! My rating in Tomawaky's system is at 1467.72 with 2197 exp. I've never been that low in any other system, and this is taking into account that i won the Master A league once.
socksey
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And just think, you'd probably be in the 1300s if you didn't run across me from time to time. Don't know what it is about sox, but she always seems to get the upper hand on me. I think distraction has a great deal to do with it.
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You can't compare the actual numbers because players in flg are on avarage better then in fibs. There seem to be almost no players with under 1500 fibs rating. So most have lower ratings there then in fibs. And there always is those +-100 fluctuations.
I almost never play players rated lower than I am on Fibs. Often when I do that, I lose, thereby hurting my rating tremendously.
I have a 43% win rate over vegasvic who is rated far higher than I. Not bad, but he has taught me a lot.
Some of the higher rated players on Fibs will not play with me, i.e., Niholympic, Honeygirl_II. Too bad about that. We could probably each learn from the other. Now that resh_lakish has reached over 1700, he refuses to play with me anything but 2 ptrs, if that!
Yeah, I know, they are scared of me.
Distraction is my middle name, lewssssss.
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