Understood Toma' , hence "number of players scoring / by / country " but I'm pretty confident the total subscriptions will show a similar distribution     Either way the statistical imbalance doesnt change.  

Thanks Burper, interesting option if i've got it right but an OPTION all the same )  This would add alot of weight to how many goes people had at the sessions ! Good or bad / I'm not sure. But clearly i agree with separating into 2 "events" , "at bats". :agree:

The big goal to any change in format or scoring at the moment would be to maintain scores for those sessions that have taken place already ! As you suggested    So anyone who's earned their points so far isn't disadvantaged.

How about this ?

We maintain current format for National selection.  We let everyone know that the top 1 or 3 players score by country each month (ala Friday 3's) earn selection into their Olympic team    

Every 1 or 3 months each Olympic Team competes in the Bagolympics which are held, probably via Team Tourney on FIBSLeague ( ?? tryout   ) or any other format which has equal entries per Country     and the selection process for the National Teams begins again ! From scratch !

This would also provide time in the short term to decide on exact format for Internation Competition (ie 1 - 3 months) while current format continues as is , we've just moved the goals a little. In addition the current format would provide the regular tournament play Sundays and Tuesdays, that is clearly enjoyed by many, but with a fantastic prize at the end !!  

I'll message Tryout and ask him to read this. Meanwhile any thoughts appreciated  

"Burper" Posted on Jun 10 2004, 04:05 PM

I Agree   :agree:

 :bye:  

Burper > please can you explain this "at-bat" alitle more for me. I do not understand what it is. But as soon as you let me know I will add it.

BrizzyLions, EddieVedd > Choose a time for a new sessions of bagolympics and it will planned

I have added a Average statistic for country ranking at FibsLeaGammon.
But this one must be interpreted with care in case a country do not participe a lot !

Phew, only a few days that I wasn't reading the board and now I have problems to catch up.  

Unfortunately, I don't find much time for reading here often enough, let alone writing.  So here are just a few initial thoughts and comments. Maybe I'll have more time another day.

To start off, I agree with the imparity regarding countries with a far bigger count of participants. Just by mass participation such a country will easily win (assumed that they are not all dumb like bread ).

Taking the average is technically very easy, but neither gives a fair rating value. With this I would only want to have the 1 or 2 best players to participate for my country and try to chase everybody else away, since they would certainly lower the average.

Burper's "at-bat" idea alleviates the probems a little. But the bigger the player count of a country the higher get also the chances both to be "at-bat" in a final and also to win the tourney for this country. This count may have value in a league, where every player/team will get an equal opportunity to participate. But as long as the number of players from one team/country isn't restricted, this country will have a higher count.

The only meaningful and fair result for a country competition is to have a limited number of entrants for every country. Big countries may still have the advantage of chosing from a bigger pool, but I don't see anything that can avoid this (apart from breaking those countries into smaller pieces, which doesn't really make sense).

How many players should be allowed for each country isn't really important. However, we should aim for a reasonable trade-off between that preferably many people can participate and that the obstacle for smaller countries to reach this number of participants is low.

The next point is how the candidates are selected. Actually, I don't mind. This could be done in any way, even by lottery. Just any individual competition like tournaments or leagues, but also voting or just naming some will do.

Regarding the quest for a TD to hold another regular tourney at suitable times for Aussies... sorry, but I'm also in the position of playing from work (well, university). So I'm unable to agree on something with fixed times.  And the other problem of sometimes just having to leave the tourney or FIBS without notice also exists.

I thinks that bagolympic could be that qualifying rounds.
Imagine we take the better players for each country in a period of bagolympic result.

Thanks for your thoughts Tryout

I am very grateful for your experienced input.  Rest assured no "problems to catch up" here    Hopefully just some improvements  
It seems we agree on a critical point....

Tryout Posted on Jun 11 2004, 08:27 PM


A large reason i messaged you to ask for you input was,

"from me"  Posted: Jun 11 2004, 02:08 AM


I am suggestting a limited and equal number of entrants in a 2nd stage of the Bagolympics, after players qualify during the current format (stage 1), and wondered if you could incorporate a TEAM LEAGUE for the "Olympiad" on your TEAM site ?

Each rotation you would have countries playing each other with an ultimate crowning of World Champion TEAM.

If you are able to do this can you please let me know ? So we know if it's at least an option ?

Thanks heaps Tryout  



Tomawaky


Tomawaky Posted on Jun 11 2004, 09:51 PM


Thanks

Lets not  use the averages at this stage for the scoring , though they have potential somewhere I'm sure, too confusing when already changing things   Lets just use the top scoreing players from each country by the current format. Those that register the most are rewarded by haveing a better chance to increase their score! Sounds fair and easiest to me. AND they are only competing against their OWN COUNTRYmen/women during this phase !


So how many Qualify ?

I suggest-------

Top 1 from each country per Month gains selection to national team
Individual can only Qualify once so everyone has 3 bites at it because...
It goes for 3 Months. Each month scoring begins from zero but places in Team are taken up.
After three months , Qualifier now begins again from scratch , ie 3 places open.
Meanwhile the team of 3 from each country go onto TEAM LEAGUE 2nd stage and have 3 months to complete their matches !

(Note the effect of taking top 2 countrymen/women EACH month)

And on it rotates, all the while with regular twice weekly come as you please tourneybot tourneys  

So if Tryout or anyone can compile the TEAM results this is how i think we should make it happen I'm not sure we could run the 2nd phase (at bat) with the current format because only those who had qualified could enter ? At least not with tourneybot (or con-currently), very difficult for TD's.

What I suggest doesn't have to happen but please Someone who has the power please make a decision that is clearly an improvement   Please


Thanks.


Brizzy,

 has told me on Fibs she can do some of those times I suggested earlier but just would want to host the tourneybot phase and then someone else input results into the system. I'll ask that she post times she can do

Thanks Brizzy

and

Finally,

I got a home e-mail from a TD that i adore today, all it said was "but what is your question?"  That's it

Mostly out of all I've written I guess it would be "What do you think? " and ask that you please post it here

Please know i am going on about this, not for me or Australia, but for all those around the world that LOVE these tourneys on fibs. Because of this tourneys POTENTIAL to be Truely GLOBAL    

If you agree please post it.
If you dis-agree please post it Maybe then I'll shut up  

Thanks for listening.



 







 

Hmm, I'd have to think very hard about this. I'm tempted but I guess I won't have the time for another regular commitment. Running the normal team league takes up my rather limited time already quite a bit. But let's discuss the other things first.

Using Bagolympics for the selection of country team members sounds fine with me. This heavily reduces the need of country team captains. But perhaps they are still necessary. I haven't made up my mind yet about what I'd prefer for the exact process. Maybe just taking the 3 top players from each country after 3 months is better, or at least easier?

Anyway, other issues:
What if someone of the qualified players doesn't want or is unable to play the final league/tourney? Mind that this implies an availability for those players of 6 months! Also, I guess not everybody who's in for a short fun tourney will want to commit to play under a different system.

For the final tourney I can envision quite some tournament formats. It wouldn't have to be necessary a round robin league. Single or double elimination or Swiss would also do, as well as there's no necessity to act like a team. Interpreting individual results for the team would also suffice.

Also possible, but weren't you talking about 1 each month above?

ok - i think i get it - i guess i will pick it up as we go along - and those cleverer than me can take care of the paperwork    

Surely if they dont agree to play for a team - they dont play as part of the 'olympics' - wasnt this always going to be a team event??

Need a rest and coming back  

             

So why not about
- the overall number of points
- the overall average
- The best score for a session