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Offline TwilightZone

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Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« on: March 15, 2015, 07:07:09 PM »
Is it correct that doubling cube should not be used in games til 1 point?

If it is a money game, there should always be a doubling cube, correct?

But what if it's a money game until 3 points?

How to use the cube if you are playing a match for money?

When you play money games, the doubling cube affects the bet, but will it affect the points as well?

Thank you!

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Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 09:48:22 PM »
Better get some clarity as to terms.
A money game is a single game played with the doubling cube. At the end of the game, the loser pays the winner the stake multiplied by the number on the doubling cube and of course doubled or tripled for gammons or backgammons. It is normal in money games to use the Jacoby rule, which stipulates that a gammon can only be scored if the cube has been turned.
A one point match is a match consisting of one game. Gammons don't count and the cube is not used.
In longer matches, which can be any length but are usually an odd number of points, the cube is in use. At the end of aach game, the winner scores the number of points on the doubling cube, multiplied by 2 or 3 if a gammon or backgammon has been scored. The match is over when one player reaches or exceeds the number of points of the match length. There is no advantage to winning more points than the match length. In matches it is normal, mandatory on fibs, to use the Crawford rule, which stipulates that when one player is one point away from victory (eg 4-0 in a match to 5), the cube may not be used in the next game.
Hope that clears up a few things!

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #1 on: March 15, 2015, 09:48:22 PM »

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #2 on: March 15, 2015, 09:48:47 PM »
And don't play for money!

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 02:34:58 PM »
Better get some clarity as to terms.
A money game is a single game played with the doubling cube. At the end of the game, the loser pays the winner the stake multiplied by the number on the doubling cube and of course doubled or tripled for gammons or backgammons. It is normal in money games to use the Jacoby rule, which stipulates that a gammon can only be scored if the cube has been turned.
A one point match is a match consisting of one game. Gammons don't count and the cube is not used.
In longer matches, which can be any length but are usually an odd number of points, the cube is in use. At the end of aach game, the winner scores the number of points on the doubling cube, multiplied by 2 or 3 if a gammon or backgammon has been scored. The match is over when one player reaches or exceeds the number of points of the match length. There is no advantage to winning more points than the match length. In matches it is normal, mandatory on fibs, to use the Crawford rule, which stipulates that when one player is one point away from victory (eg 4-0 in a match to 5), the cube may not be used in the next game.
Hope that clears up a few things!
Thank you for clarifying.

I am not interested in playing money games.

I am just interested in theoretical calculations in cases where there is a match game that is also played on money.

Let's say we have a match game until 7 points which is also a money game.

How will money/points be calculated in this case and in cases of doubling?

Thank you.

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #3 on: March 16, 2015, 02:34:58 PM »

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #4 on: March 16, 2015, 03:28:55 PM »
Ok.  There's match play and "money play"

For "money play" each game is independent.  If you're playing for one beer per point, you play a game, perhaps it ends with a gammon with the cube on 2.  One player then owes the other four beers.  You can then set the board up and play a second game, and maybe the other player wins a single point.  Now there's only three beers owed. Sepeat until you've had enough, settle up when you are done.


In match play only the final result matters. You can wager on match play, let's say you stake  one round of beer on the outcome.  You play the match to seven, and the loser buys the next round regardless of whether the final score is  7-6 or 7-0 or even 16-0 (i.e. someone loses a gammon with the cube at 8 ) .   That is, in match play, only the final result matters. This is true regardless of whether you are wagering on the outcome or only playing for fun.  One point for a win with the cube at 1, two points for a win with the cube at 2 or for a gammon, four points for winning a gammon with the cube at 2, etc. 
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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2015, 07:42:39 PM »
TwilightZone is a good nick for you . i think you should listen to dorbel and stay away from money game . Since you are in the TwilightZone zone about it .

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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #6 on: November 24, 2015, 09:15:12 PM »
Are there any rule books for money games? Some people seem to make up their own rules.
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Re: Can someone explain doubling cube in money/match games?
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2017, 10:16:13 AM »
TwilightZone is a good nick for you . i think you should listen to dorbel and stay away from money game . Since you are in the TwilightZone zone about it .

Ok.  There's match play and "money play"

For "money play" each game is independent.  If you're playing for ad link removed
one beer per point, you play a game, perhaps it ends with a gammon with the cube on 2.  One player then owes the other four beers.  You can then set the board up and play a second game, and maybe the other player wins a single point.  Now there's only three beers owed. Sepeat until you've had enough, settle up when you are done.


In match play only the final result matters. You can wager on match play, let's say you stake  one round of beer on the outcome.  You play the match to seven, and the loser buys the next round regardless of whether the final score is  7-6 or 7-0 or even 16-0 (i.e. someone loses a gammon with the cube at 8 ) .   That is, in match play, only the final result matters. This is true regardless of whether you are wagering on the outcome or only playing for fun.  One point for a win with the cube at 1, two points for a win with the cube at 2 or for a gammon, four points for winning a gammon with the cube at 2, etc. 
« Last Edit: November 07, 2017, 08:59:26 PM by stog »

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