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« on: June 06, 2008, 11:46:46 PM »
In this topic, we whiners are going to post positions where either we've gotten an extremely unlucky roll or our damned opponents have gotten an extremely lucky one. After a week, we may run a poll to decide which of us whiners was the unluckiest and has creditd to be called the 'whiner of the week' title.

By taking part in this topic, we're NOT going to claim that FIBS dices are rigged or a software is monitoring the matches or so on. We just want to share our miseries here as a means of consolation.

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« Reply #1 on: June 07, 2008, 12:12:35 AM »
Well, let's begin it myself as I'm a great whiner. thumbsup

This position is taken from my 2-pt match against resh_lakish. As you see, I had hit 4 of his men and considering my 5-pt board, I should have had no problem winning this match. According to GNUBG, my equity and MWC/GWC was:

       Eq.:  +0.835

        91.8%  79.1%  14.1% -   8.2%   1.8%   0.1%

And guess what happened? resh rolled a 5-5 and went on to claim the victory:



Position ID: 22YJAQZ2NgYAeA, Match ID: AoFWAAAAAAAA
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« Reply #2 on: June 07, 2008, 12:37:58 AM »
how do you explain the cube being at 4 in a 2 point game?
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« Reply #3 on: June 07, 2008, 08:36:06 AM »
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2008, 12:37:58 AM
how do you explain the cube being at 4 in a 2 point game?

Well you had not toggled crawford and I noticed that and re-doubled to make even more fun. Wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 07, 2008, 04:17:56 PM »
 24  Truely worthy of a great whine!   24

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« Reply #5 on: June 07, 2008, 10:34:54 PM »
Quote from: socksey on June 07, 2008, 04:17:56 PM
24  Truely worthy of a great whine!   24

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« Reply #6 on: June 08, 2008, 06:56:41 PM »
I really don't know why I've been extremely unlucky recently. This is yet another weired position, taken from my match against cowgirl in the today's tourney of Bloody Marry:



2-2 was THE ONLY roll with which I couldn't have bear-off. And I got it! Sad

Position ID: YgAAQAYAAAAAAA, Match ID: QglpAAAAAAAA

GNUBG's analysis of the match:

                                      cowgirl              You                 
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total)                    -0.617 ( -8.024%)    -0.193 ( -5.268%)   
Error rate (per decision)              -30.9 ( -0.401%)      -9.6 ( -0.263%)   
Equiv. Snowie error rate               -15.1                 -4.7             
Overall rating                        Beginner             Advanced           
Actual result                          +50.00%              -50.00%           
Luck adjusted result                    +1.64%               -1.64%           
Luck based FIBS rating diff.          +40492.09                               
Error based abs. FIBS rating          1602.1               1913.1             
Chequerplay errors rating loss         366.4                109.7             
Cube errors rating loss                 81.5                 27.1             

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« Reply #7 on: June 08, 2008, 10:22:24 PM »
Or 4-2, so 1 in 12 rolls. Wink
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« Reply #8 on: June 09, 2008, 09:57:36 PM »
Quote from: PersianLord on June 08, 2008, 06:56:41 PM
I really don't know why I've been extremely unlucky recently. This is yet another weired position, taken from my match against cowgirl in the today's tourney of Bloody Marry:



2-2 was THE ONLY roll with which I couldn't have bear-off. And I got it! Sad

Position ID: YgAAQAYAAAAAAA, Match ID: QglpAAAAAAAA

GNUBG's analysis of the match:

                                      cowgirl              You                 
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total)                    -0.617 ( -8.024%)    -0.193 ( -5.268%)   
Error rate (per decision)              -30.9 ( -0.401%)      -9.6 ( -0.263%)   
Equiv. Snowie error rate               -15.1                 -4.7             
Overall rating                        Beginner             Advanced           
Actual result                          +50.00%              -50.00%           
Luck adjusted result                    +1.64%               -1.64%           
Luck based FIBS rating diff.          +40492.09                               
Error based abs. FIBS rating          1602.1               1913.1             
Chequerplay errors rating loss         366.4                109.7             
Cube errors rating loss                 81.5                 27.1             




You should know better than to get roped by cowgirl
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« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2008, 09:31:21 AM »
Yet another damned lucky roll for my opponent when I was the clear favorite to win. This position is taken from my 3-pt match against iamtheneal:



uM1mBgB36wBgEA , AoF2AAAAAAAA

Match statistics:

                                      iamtheneal           You                 
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total)                    -0.783 (-18.409%)    -0.089 ( -2.978%)   
Error rate (per decision)              -41.2 ( -0.969%)      -3.9 ( -0.129%)   
Equiv. Snowie error rate               -19.1                 -2.2             
Overall rating                        Awful!               World class         
Actual result                          +50.00%              -50.00%           
Luck adjusted result                    +2.03%               -2.03%           
Luck based FIBS rating diff.          +32757.14                               
Error based abs. FIBS rating          1305.2               2004.1             
Chequerplay errors rating loss         717.3                 40.8             
Cube errors rating loss                 27.6                  5.1             

Luck statistics:

                                      iamtheneal           You                 
Luck Statistics:
Rolls marked very lucky                 1                    1                 
Rolls marked lucky                      1                    1                 
Rolls unmarked                         19                   15                 
Rolls marked unlucky                    0                    3                 
Rolls marked very unlucky               0                    0                 
Luck rate (total)                     +1.064 (+43.471%)    -0.161 ( -4.501%)   
Luck rate (per move)                   +50.7 ( +2.070%)      -8.0 ( -0.225%)   
Luck rating                           Good dice, man!      None               
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« Reply #10 on: June 14, 2008, 01:19:27 PM »
Hi PL,

your opponents winning chances before his 55 roll were still above 30%. Winning that match when having more than 30% winning chances IMHO does not justify whining. I'd start to whine when my oppoents wins with less than 5%.

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« Reply #11 on: June 14, 2008, 09:15:48 PM »
Quote from: Hardy_whv on June 14, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
Hi PL,

your opponents winning chances before his 55 roll were still above 30%. Winning that match when having more than 30% winning chances IMHO does not justify whining. I'd start to whine when my oppoents wins with less than 5%.

Hardy  cool

I don't mind what was the winning chances of my opponent, he just got a very lucky roll and I thought it deserves to be posted here. And as the GNUBG's analysis clearly shows, my opp was way lucky which helped him win the match.

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« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2008, 08:30:31 PM »
we all get very lucky rolls.

i agree with hardy's statement about a 5% limit for this topic Smiley
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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2008, 08:59:19 PM »
You bots, you! Don't you know that whiners neither know nor care about percentages!? More accurately, a whine-worthy event is subjective. Never mind that the opponent could have won 30% of the games in a longer span of moves, the point about PersianLord's position is that the swing was large and sudden with a corresponding feeling of dismay at seeing the intended victims escape. Wink
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« Reply #14 on: June 19, 2008, 09:04:02 AM »
Quote from: playBunny on June 18, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
You bots, you! Don't you know that whiners neither know nor care about percentages!? More accurately, a whine-worthy event is subjective. Never mind that the opponent could have won 30% of the games in a longer span of moves, the point about PersianLord's position is that the swing was large and sudden with a corresponding feeling of dismay at seeing the intended victims escape. Wink

Exactly dear bunny!  thumbsup thumbsup

Posting these positions is also good for preventing psychological problems, as well. (hi vic and zwaii)

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« Reply #15 on: June 19, 2008, 03:26:28 PM »
Yeah, really. Percentages have nothing to do with a good whine. My favorite is when an opponent rolls 4/5th of the match like he invented dice, then I escape with one well placed roll on a high cubed game, and he/she goes off about my lucky dice. Of course, the inverse is not true, and the person who does that to me is a lucky bastard who didn't deserve to win.
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« Reply #16 on: June 20, 2008, 10:18:00 AM »
Quote from: lewscannon on June 19, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
Yeah, really. Percentages have nothing to do with a good whine. My favorite is when an opponent rolls 4/5th of the match like he invented dice, then I escape with one well placed roll on a high cubed game, and he/she goes off about my lucky dice. Of course, the inverse is not true, and the person who does that to me is a lucky bastard who didn't deserve to win.

every player who was unlucky or his opponent was lucky has a right to take part here, idiot.
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« Reply #17 on: June 22, 2008, 12:42:46 AM »
All of my opponents didn't deserve to win, and when they did, they were real lucky bastards!!! cool
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« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 06:11:26 PM »
And then there are the bots. I'm up 4-2 in a 5 pointer. Crawford game. Parlorbot gets 2 of my pieces on the bar, and begins to bearoff, rolling 4 sets of doubles while my dice, which must have had all numbers higher than '2' erased, cause me dance until I am backgammoned, with 1 piece still on the bar. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I puked instead.

There. I feel better now. This is a good forum.
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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2008, 08:31:02 PM »
Hey!! I never actually win by showing skill either! I always made some bad moves in midgame which were rewarded by great rolls to cover them in bearoff.
Next time avoid being "barred" by a bot, that is a well known trap used by all the bots, and only noobs like you can fall for it.  For the unsuspecting, joyfull and open hearted fibster it may appear that they blunder ,BUT!!!.. NOOOO , in fact, they actually forsee all our rolls.

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