BANNED FROM SHOUTING

[garp_02]

I know Fibs belongs to Patti. I know she has her issues.....but why am I banned indefinately from shouting in a world where Patti believes in free speech?

There are people spouting hatred and bile every day - much worse than I ever have. An explananation would be nice. Apart from the one Patti sent me about Vic having issues.

I don't care that he's retarded.....just want the ability to defend myself if he tries to pick on me

[diane]

Don't ya love the equity around here 

[Patti]

garp, you know exactly why you're not allowed to shout and what the conditions are for you getting your shouts back.  The fact is that you've been unwilling to agree not to be a jackass on FIBS.  I've been very clear about this, and you have repeatedly refused.

What are you trying to accomplish by making this public?  Do you think that I'm going to change my mind and allow you to be a jerk in shouts just because you're dragging everyone else into it?  (Hint:  creating drama is generally not going to sway me in your favor.)

[NIHILIST]

I believe garp has every right to be a jackass on FIBS. Why should Vic be the only one ?


Bob

[vegasvic]

Why do i keep on getting dragged into other peoples problems ? 

[NIHILIST]

You're quite misunderstood.

Bob

[vegasvic]

Apart from the one Patti sent me about Vic having issues.

I am not the only one having issues with you garp ... the list is long .

[jackdaddy]

I know Fibs belongs to Patti. I know she has her issues.....but why am I banned indefinately from shouting in a world where Patti believes in free speech?

Indefinitely

[garp_02]

Oh dear.

Patti, I have repeatedly told you that I am quite prepared to behave in shout but reserve the right to respond when attacked. I think that's pretty reasonable, but you don't seem to.

My question was more to do with why I am being treated differently to others   
Should you deem to answer it, I'm sure everyone would benefit.

Vic.....I wasn't referring to your issues with me - it is obvious when you ask as many people as you can on my vouch list to withdraw. I was referring more to your general issues 

[vegasvic]

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[NIHILIST]

Vic knows all about mirrors, he spends about 10 hours a day in front of them.

Bob

[garp_02]

In your world, that may be the truth Vic.

In the real world, however, things are slightly different.

You are well known for being an #ss#o## - I didn't judge you because that's the kind of guy I am..........until you made it your mission to get me barred from Fibs. Personally, Vic, I don't give a sh** about you - from what I've seen, you are not worth bothering about. And I respect that you have 'problems' in the mental area.

However, I don't see how I should have my rights withdrawn, while you, and many others continue with your abuse in the lobby. I know why Patti won't bar you because of your 'condition', but that's not my fault.

I have made many attempts to hold out the olive branch - invited you to many games. All I get back is abuse. Unlike you, I don't save every conversation and post it to Patti.........I guess that's part of the 'condition' though.

Vic, you started all this and Patti feels sorry for you. Me? I just want the owner of Fibs to treat everyone equally......or give it back to the Swedes

[vegasvic]

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[garp_02]

 

[Patti]

Yes, garp, and when you agree to unconditionally moderate your behavior you can have your shouts back.

Did you really think that making this public would further your case?

[garp_02]

You avoid the question Patti - why should I when no-one else does?

I have no idea actually why I am banned and many other people aren't - perhaps you would enlighten the great unwashed masses.

As for bringing it into the public domain - of course I didn't think it would make you change your mind, because I have no idea where your mind is at. And, to be honest, I rarely visit shouts anyway - just don't like favouritism and injustice 

[jackdaddy]

I agree. garp is being singled out here. I think it's horrible the way that patti lets vics behavior go unpunished. Hmmm...Wait a sec...

[PersianLord]

Personally, I think that the best situation in FIBS will be achieved when there's absolutely no law & regulation pertaining to abuse, harassment,  etc. All the retaliatory/punishing action should be left to the ultimate discretion of the FIBS nation, individually.

This way we'll all enjoy 'freedom' in its purest sense of meaning and also no one will bother Patti for such trivial things as the banning of a certain obnoxious Brit, called garp.

PL

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PS: For the record, I was the one preaching for a FIBS police back when I was a noobe.

[vegasvic]

will you guys please keep me out of this .... this has nothing to do with me and everything to do with  garps behavior .

i am in  enough trouble with patti as it is ... and you all do not need to add to it !!

thank you very much !!

[NIHILIST]

Vic must feel like he's being nibbled to death by gerbils. The notion that Vic's conduct is being criticized by intellectually constipated fools like garp or jagdaddy is laughable.

Bob

[garp_02]

'intellectually constipated'?

It's this kind of personal abuse I'd like to see banished from Fibs.

[stog]

for most forms of intellectual constipation try some of  this or better a wee bit of this

[jackdaddy]

Vic must feel like he's being nibbled to death by gerbils. The notion that Vic's conduct is being criticized by intellectually constipated fools like garp or jagdaddy is laughable.

Bob

Bob, bob, bob, even vic knew my comment was meant sarcastically...

[vegasvic]

If intellectually constipated please try some  Re_Lax after meals ..

[boog]

Yep. Ol` moo moo patti does play a mean game of double standard. But there are ways around all of that.  

[spielberg]

I agree with PL on this one, though I acknowledge Patti's obvious prerogative I greatly prefer total free speech. Let idiots shout garbage - it makes it far easier to identify them.

PS amusing to see PersianLord is now quoting the Unabomber rather than Nietzche!

[socksey]

Strange how both Persian_Lord and vegasvic have been banned from shouting permanently since this thread began.   

I'm saddened to lose them all in shouts, and that includes don.   

socksey



A man may smile and bid you hail Yet wish you to the devil;  But when a good dog wags his tail, You know he's on the level. ~ Author Unknown

[diane]

One or two more from this thread gone, and it will be lovely  

[socksey]

You mean you and I?   

socksey



There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your
face. - Ben William

[diane]

You mean you and I?   

Very close....

[jackdaddy]

Very close....

Me?   

[diane]

I'm saddened to lose them all in shouts, and that includes don.  

Serious now..what saddens me is not losing those who wish to make fibs 'interesting' by creating drama and filling a void in their life which only constant battling will do for them, but losing those 'thin skinned real players'.

The ones I met in vegas, who learned to play on fibs many years ago - and left because of the nastiness. The ones who left because you cannot run a tournament around here without someone making it unplayable.

The others I have met in various countries, who regard FIBs as some sort of dirty secret and something to be ashamed of, because it makes all bg players look bad.

The Euro bg parties still go ahead - but without the association with FIBs -because those players all got too fed up with the childishnes and nastiness of the place.

Kit Woolsey puts the money into the hardware, Patti spends huge amounts of time administering this place - do you think they do that for as many as perhaps 10 or 12 players to fight, argue and gang up on anyone new??

It is the first place new people find when they google backgammon online, it should be a great positive experience, where they meet new players, make friends and learn how to improve their play.

Do you think it is that right now?? Think of the BAGO tournament the other day - what a farce. All so some people can have a bit of a thrill.  

The trouble makers losing some ability to cause trouble does not sadden me at all - I rejoice..it is a step in the right direction.

[moonshadow]

While the moderators were dueling, SPAMMER wzy4545 runs amok on the board.

[sixty_something]

While the moderators were dueling, SPAMMER wzy4545 runs amok on the board.

moonshadow, we can always use help, as moderators and as TD's .. clearly, you have a passion for all fings FIBS and the game .. have you considered joining us?

of course, i have no power to appoint or annoint anyone .. even my attempts at being a good Bloody Mary Czar are suspect at best, but i do the best i can .. i do know this, the zoo needs all the zookeepers we can muster

hm, why does something someone said about giving matches to a pyromaniac when you ask him or her to guard the house come to mind?

regardless, the nice thing about virtual houses,l zoos, and communities is that the houses don't actually burn down, the animals seldom leave, and the road goes on forever, the party never ends

[KDP]

i agree with diane 100%.  i can name at least a half dozen fibsters i now see regularly on gridgammon.  you'd have to ask them which site they prefer.  i left for a time last year because of all the crap that was going on but have come back because in the end,  fibs in my opinion is still the best place to play.  yes it has its faults but i think patti is taking steps to correct them.  whether or not you agree with her is one thing, but recognizing there is a problem and taking any type of action to fix it is a positive.

[socksey]

I remind all you who want to banish everyone, that you have the beautiful feature of "gag".  It's there for anyone to use.  It works great and it's easy to do.  Noone has to put up with anyone.   

Even with the new (to some) rule of "no blind in the finals of tourneys", you still have the option "gag".  I really don't see the problem.   

socksey



Properly trained, a Man can be Dog's best friend. ~ Corey Ford

[dorbel]

I really don't see the problem.   Sad

Says it all really.

[RickrInSF]

I remind all you who want to banish everyone, that you have the beautiful feature of "gag".

I've heard this all too often and it is mostly used to defend bad behavior.

first off, no one wants to "banish everyone", wanting everyone to behave is much different than wanting everyone gone.

second, when you gag someone, you can't follow shouts completely, and usually end up answering someone that was not talking to you or asking if someone you have gagged just shouted. how many times have you seen donz shout "oh, was that RickrInSF shouting, i have him gagged, he is an #ss#o##". so, gag doesnt really work, and everyone knows it,

so why can't everyone just act nice, like a family get together where everyone behaves because there are children there, if there is a disagreement or yelling, name calling, or bad behavior of anykind is seen by you as something that you have to say, and can't hold it in - take it to tells.

[diane]

While the moderators were dueling, SPAMMER wzy4545 runs amok on the board.

Good point! I saw the posts - and was going after them..in a minute, but the board isnt showing them as 'unread posts' for me.  I dont know why, and I forgot them.

The board does that for some reason, I dont understand. For instance - I know I am not going to read the bloody Mary thread, as I dont play in it - and it mostly doesnt concern me...but it will stay forever in the 'unread post' list, unless I mark it as read. Other posts though, which I do want to check out...vanish forever. I often do multiple checks - but didnt last night  

Has anyone taken them down now - because I really cant find them anywhere - not even in 'the bin'

[adrian]

Shout "resources" should be equally distributed : 168 characters per individual, per week. 
I will shout #### 42 times a week, 6 times each day from monday to saturday and once sunday.

[sixty_something]

Has anyone taken them down now - because I really cant find them anywhere - not even in 'the bin'

diane, i used REMOVE to delete them .. i couldn't remember if that was the correct procedure, but they were cleverly disguised spam with embedded external links to G-d knows what .. so, unless stog zapped them forever, the should be in the removed post bin

the Bloody Mary thread pops up just once a week after a tourney, like others .. however, i agree when a post rolls off the most recent list it can sometimes be hard to find unless you know where to look

[moonshadow123]

moonshadow, we can always use help, as moderators and as TD's .. clearly, you have a passion for all fings FIBS and the game .. have you considered joining us?

Sorry, that's not for me.

of course, i have no power to appoint or annoint anyone .. even my attempts at being a good Bloody Mary Czar are suspect at best, but i do the best i can .. i do know this, the zoo needs all the zookeepers we can muster

You do fine. Just make sure you got a high fence around the menagerie.

hm, why does something someone said about giving matches to a pyromaniac when you ask him or her to guard the house come to mind?

No, you do not want to see moon unleashed.

regardless, the nice thing about virtual houses,l zoos, and communities is that the houses don't actually burn down, the animals seldom leave, and the road goes on forever, the party never ends

Very adroit. A good point. However, I fear this may be off topic and perhaps should be moved to the philosophy thread where Prof. Pck can give us some deep and trenchant insights on the nature of reality from Wittgenstein's perspective. You know, a virtual lecture.

[gaspar]

Why cant garp et al. understand that patti runs fibs for free and having to deal with these issues is such a waste of her time.   Garp stop comparing your behaviour to everyone else's and give me a break with the "why do other people who are worse than me get away with it..."  complaint...it's petulant and immature.   just respect the person who spends her free time giving us a place to play backgammon.  besides patti has told you that you can respect rules that "most " of the other players live by well enough each day , and leave it at that. 

[diane]

Why cant garp et al. understand that patti runs fibs for free and having to deal with these issues is such a waste of her time.   

The start of this thread is quite old..and garp has got that now I think...he is mostly silent, except for the fun stuff now  The thread was ressurected later when more people got silenced.

[sixty_something]

Serious now..what saddens me is not losing those who wish to make fibs 'interesting' by creating drama and filling a void in their life which only constant battling will do for them, but losing those 'thin skinned real players'.

The ones I met in vegas, who learned to play on fibs many years ago - and left because of the nastiness. The ones who left because you cannot run a tournament around here without someone making it unplayable.

The others I have met in various countries, who regard FIBs as some sort of dirty secret and something to be ashamed of, because it makes all bg players look bad.

The Euro bg parties still go ahead - but without the association with FIBs -because those players all got too fed up with the childishnes and nastiness of the place.

Kit Woolsey puts the money into the hardware, Patti spends huge amounts of time administering this place - do you think they do that for as many as perhaps 10 or 12 players to fight, argue and gang up on anyone new??

It is the first place new people find when they google backgammon online, it should be a great positive experience, where they meet new players, make friends and learn how to improve their play.

Do you think it is that right now?? Think of the BAGO tournament the other day - what a farce. All so some people can have a bit of a thrill.  

The trouble makers losing some ability to cause trouble does not sadden me at all - I rejoice..it is a step in the right direction.

diane, thanks for that perspective .. you too, KDP .. you both raise some very valid points and make me think (always a dangerous thing)

at FICS (First Internet Chess Server), the moderators are numerous, very active, and will crack down on abusers in a heartbeat .. the atmosphere is very different that at FIBS, just as the two games are very different .. FIBS shouts, IMO, reflect the very social game that backgammon is especially when compared to chess .. however, we can be social and still be civil .. FICS is a very strong community, just not nearly as raucous, but i have yet to make a single friend there compared to the many folks i have come to know and value as friends here at FIBS

a Houston based organization with which i have become involved is called The Institute for Civility - www.instituteforcivility.org .. they address problems in congress, schools, local politics and individual relationships with positive results .. the Institute founders define civility as social engagement in which members are "caring and claiming ones identity, needs and beliefs without degrading someone else in the process"

at FIBS, we see a whole lot of folks caring and claiming an identity, each with unique and strong needs and beliefs .. unfortunately, we struggle with a lot of what appears to be degrading behaviour as well

i'm not suggesting any solutions, just noting that the issues with which we are currently struggling are not unique to us at FIBS, collectively or individually .. harping about the behaviour of one person or another misses that point completely .. we are but a microcosm and reflection of what happens in the real world

for me, FIBS as a "dirty little secret" also hits home .. i've mentioned my frustration at not feeling comfortable in inviting my grandson or even adult children to join me at FIBS for a game of backgammon .. i wouldn't hesitate to invite my grandson to play chess at FICS, but he seems to have lost his interest in chess .. today, he spends his game time, according to his mother, playing games on-line with his PlayStation .. while i am unsure of what games he is playing, i doubt they are any different from games teenage boys have played for generations, in other words violence based

chess and backgammon are fundamentally violence based games as well, just not as visual as modern HD graphic simulation games with bombs, bullets, and bloodshed .. regardless, i'd feel a lot more comfortable about the world my grandchildren will live in were i were playing chess and backgammon with them .. instead, i sit on the sideline watching young boys having fun using the simulation tools similar to those the military uses to train soldiers to be better killers; as bad or worse, IMO, was the news recently that a good gift for a granddaughter would be "anything Barbie" -- oey vey

anyway, that has noting to do with anything, just my thoughts provoked by diane's comments -- i warned you that getting me to start thinking is dangerous 

[garp_02]

Thank you, Diane,  for pointing out that this thread was started many moons ago.

I have recently realised that it is not worth the hassle, particularly on the evening of 22nd March, when I suffered a heart-attack.

Now, I am in no way looking for sympathy, just pointing out that when something like that happens to you it puts the whole thing into perspective....bickering, petty squabbling etc etc somehow seem less important.

Have fun and play nice.

[socksey]

Quite right, garp.     Wishing you a speedy recovery!   

socksey



Dogs are not our whole life, but they make our lives whole. - Roger Caras

[diane]

I have recently realised that it is not worth the hassle, particularly on the evening of 22nd March, when I suffered a heart-attack.

You never mentioned...I am so sorry to hear that - it happens to all the wrong people.

I hope you fully recover - laugh my friend, laugh often and with all your heart - it clears the negative energy.

You are right - and I needed to hear it today, of all days...trivia - all of it.

[socksey]

the Bloody Mary thread pops up just once a week after a tourney, like others .. however, i agree when a post rolls off the most recent list it can sometimes be hard to find unless you know where to look

I'm in the habit of placing the threads I don't want to lose on my "favorite's list" within a category of "fibsboard", then I always have a handy short list to choose from.    

socksey



"When women go wrong, men go right after them."- Mae West

[vegasvic]

Garp ,
Did you find jesus after your heart operation ?
from reading your shouts and diane's all the asskissing going on with patti

what was it i read that you do not or did not ever asked patti to shoutban anyone ? maybe you should  re read your bitching in here .

and the answer to you was from patti in this FORM !! 

"garp, you know exactly why you're not allowed to shout and what the conditions are for you getting your shouts back.  The fact is that you've been unwilling to agree not to be a jackass on FIBS"

for a transformation as you have gone thru it must be GOD!!

[NIHILIST]

Gee, garp, when I read about your heart attack I couldn't get to sleep for at least 5 minutes. The tragedy is that it didn't leave you speechless.

Bob

[garp_02]

Hey Victor.....my man!

How the Hell are you? Haven't heard from you in ages.

When was the last time?  Must have been somewhere around the time you were asking all your 'buddies' to withdraw their vouches for me.........

Anyway, I have no idea why you chose to bring this up - possibly stopped taking the meds?

But since you ask, I will try to answer as honestly and openly as I can.

After I had my coronary artery procedure I didn't find God - because there is no God - certainly not the one worshipped by the Abrahamic faiths. I can't put it any simpler than that.

What I did realise though, my friend, is that there are much more important things in life than making a dick of yourself in little, insignificant chat rooms, or holding petty grievances against people who do choose to make dicks of themselves in little, insignificant chat rooms.

With regards to Patti - I also came to the realisation that Fibs belongs to Patti - she owns it and, therefore, makes the rules. You can either accept her rules, or moan about them forever, or #### off and play somewhere else. There is no point trying to change things if Patti doesn't want them to change. So I chose to accept that, because I like playing on Fibs - especially in FLG.

I don't recall saying I never asked for anyone to be banned from shouts but if you can drag up some quote I said, I will be happy to accept that.


Kind regards,

Garp

[garp_02]

I think that shows everyone who didn't already know, exactly what kind of person you are Bob.

[diane]

Clearly...they haven't 'gone yet'...

[vegasvic]

did not like my reply diane ?

[stog]

i removed your post

[PersianLord]

After I had my coronary artery procedure I didn't find God - because there is no God - certainly not the one worshipped by the Abrahamic faiths. I can't put it any simpler than that.

With regards to Patti - I also came to the realisation that Fibs belongs to Patti - she owns it and, therefore, makes the rules. You can either accept her rules, or moan about them forever, or #### off and play somewhere else. There is no point trying to change things if Patti doesn't want them to change. So I chose to accept that, because I like playing on Fibs - especially in FLG.

Seems that you've just found your God.

PL