Banned from Kiwi

[vegasvic]

Now this is a all time CRAZY KIWI .

I was playing diddywhat and i needed a dbl to win and in kibitz i said "pck what do you think 44 or a 55 here ?

And i was banned for this , that in some way i was asking for help coach me to win . i did not know pck had control of fibs dice .

KissMyAss says: Rule 2     . Opponents may not use any aids to evaluate moves this includes getting coaching from a watcher directly or indirectly. PIP counts may be enabled.                  Do not come back for the Kiwi tourney tomorrow at this time.   You may rejoin Kiwi again for the one in 48 hours.    You asked pck in kibitz for his guidance in your match.  this will not be tolerated.   

Darlin you can keep your tourney you will not see me back in it . EVER i do not take kindly to statements like what you made .

[diane]

I give it a week 

[vegasvic]

No dear , it will be for EVER . what is it you all drink down under ? kangaroo piss ?

Moderate that one Diane .

Here is where i said  44 or 55 here pck .. and the TD thinks its asking for coaching .

I guess you need to know a little bit about this game to know if there is a need for help on the last roll of a game ... WHAT A JOKE .. if you do not want me in your tourney , dont make up some bullpucky reason , just come out and say VIC i do not want you playing in my tourney as Cig did .

Enjoy your power trip .

[vegasvic]

Between us , this is where i could have used help my 5/1 blunder , NOT ON A LAST ROLL

Seriously are you for real ?

[NIHILIST]

I see Vic is still making new friends.

Bob

[vegasvic]

Its just to funny for words . at least you helped me with the 6/4 in the live tourney so i can kick your behind )

I mean for christ sake its the last roll there is no contact to be made , its roll a double or you lose and i lost , and she freakin say's i asked for help on the last roll ) , yeah if i think there was a backgammon GOD , i would ask for the double from her or him , not pck ... as far as i know he does not yet
have to power to give me the double to win .

[KDP]

gotta side w/ vic on this one.  asking/hoping/wishing for a specific roll before it actually happens IS NOT the same as asking how to play a roll that has occurred.  sorry KMA you blew this one.

[moonshadow]

I have alerted Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton about this grave and obviously racially motivated violation of vic's civil rights.

[NIHILIST]

Vic is the perfect victim in this one so the two Revs will certainly take up the banner.

Bob

[vegasvic]

I have no rights on FIBS. i just go with the flow and the petty BULLPUCKY !!

This one was a classic bob , i was watching resh play and he did not make his 5 11/5 6/1 and i said after that fact .. resh that will cost you not making that 5 .  guy goes and complains to Patti and Tom . that i am helping resh . come on everyone knows resh is beyond help . )

[NIHILIST]

True, but we send them to college and hire them for jobs despite their lack of qualifications. It's called AFFIRMATIVE ACTION.

Bob

[socksey]

So, jeeves, do you think what vic did was cheating?  I know you can't stand vic, but let's look at this realistically.  He was just making conversation.  Nothing more.  What say you, diane, do you think what vic said was cheating in any possible way?   I think it was a misunderstood by the TD and that is no crime, but it would be big of her to admit the mistake.

socksey



Let yourself be open and life will be easier. - Buddha

[jeeves]

i was watching resh play and he did not make his 5 11/5 6/1 and i said after that fact .. resh that will cost you not making that 5 .  guy goes and complains to Patti and Tom . that i am helping resh . come on everyone knows resh is beyond help . )

A clear case of mea culpa ? 

[socksey]

I didn't expect a straight answer from you, jeeves.  This was the banning reason, "I was playing diddywhat and i needed a dbl to win and in kibitz i said "pck what do you think 44 or a 55 here ?"  I ask you again......do you think this was this cheating?  Get real.

socksey



When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace. - Jimi Hendrix

[vegasvic]

Talking about packs ... seems the only pack comes out of the woods when i post is , jeeves, diane , moonshadow and capatainblankyblank .

Nice to see you all are alive and well .

If i wanted to have help it was very easy to go into tell with pck and ask him . what do you think pck  , am i going to roll the  55 or the 44 ) .

Since you all were not there and to see diddywhat rolled a 2/1 to give me that one roll and pck and i both thought ok here is comes and we make a little joke see if we can call the roll .

Tail between my legs ? only tail that is between anyones legs is when i lay a beating on you on the backgammon board . when you ever manage to play  below er of -10 then maybe jeeves you should speak of this game . Until then trim that tail .

[Patti]

Don't tournaments have explicit rules against commenting on the game that's in progress (except in whisper)?

[vegasvic]

wishing for a 44 or a 55 off your server falls under that rule ?

On the last roll for christ sake , unless you are talking about me saying resh will pay dearly for not make his 5 way back .

Seems diddywhat had no issues or jpb .

Only people seem to have an issue are the usual suspects .

[socksey]

Don't tournaments have explicit rules against commenting on the game that's in progress (except in whisper)?

Nothing explicit that I'm aware of between the players in a match.  Usually banter between the players is acceptable.  Watchers are allowed a greeting and then should whisper.  A player may blind or gag  a watcher at his option by your rule.  In this case we are discussing a player commenting about a possible future roll. 

I really liked the idea you had to only allow whispering by watchers as a built in code by you.  That would eliminate some of the problems we encounter during tournaments.  I think I remember you mentioned doing that somewhere here or in Fibs shouts a while back.

socksey



The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is an attribute of the strong. ~ Mahatma Gandhi

[diane]

I really liked the idea you had to only allow whispering by watchers as a built in code by you.  That would eliminate some of the problems we encounter during tournaments.  I think I remember you mentioned doing that somewhere here or in Fibs shouts a while back.

That sounds a good step forward!

[Tom]

Don't tournaments have explicit rules against commenting on the game that's in progress (except in whisper)?

Yes they do http://tourneybot.fibs.com/rules.html

2. Opponents may not use any aids to evaluate moves, including coaching from a watcher directly or indirectly. PIP counts must be enabled.
3. Opponents have the right to play their match with no disruptions. Watchers should use the WHISPER command to comment. Use of KIBITZ or talking directly to the players is discouraged. Harassment or abuse of players or watchers in any form will not be tolerated.

The URL to the rules is given to each player at registration time.

These concepts have been in place for well over a year when socksey and I hammered them out with input from others as well.
It was a great step forward for tourney play to get them written down so concisely.

Tom

[Tom]

I have no rights on FIBS. i just go with the flow and the petty BULLPUCKY !!

This one was a classic bob , i was watching resh play and he did not make his 5 11/5 6/1 and i said after that fact .. resh that will cost you not making that 5 .  guy goes and complains to Patti and Tom . that i am helping resh . come on everyone knows resh is beyond help . )

Vic table talk is one of your strongest tools you use in backgammon play, you do it ALL the time to unnerve your opponent.
And that can be part of the game, but as a SPECTATOR it is not RIGHT!

PERIOD!

3. Opponents have the right to play their match with no disruptions.

What about resh's opponent, I know he was getting pissed off at all the chatter, and wasn't it jbp not diddywhat?

Tom

[Tom]

Nothing explicit that I'm aware of between the players in a match.  Usually banter between the players is acceptable.  Watchers are allowed a greeting and then should whisper.  A player may blind or gag  a watcher at his option by your rule.  In this case we are discussing a player commenting about a possible future roll. 

I really liked the idea you had to only allow whispering by watchers as a built in code by you.  That would eliminate some of the problems we encounter during tournaments.  I think I remember you mentioned doing that somewhere here or in Fibs shouts a while back.

Socksey,

You have it pretty much right. A watcher kibitzing at all is highly frowned upon.
Be it commenting on the weather, the size of the mole on some body part or
comments about the match in progress.

Tom

[socksey]

Use of KIBITZ or talking directly to the players is discouraged.

In this case, it was a player talking to a watcher.  Perhaps the wording could be more specific in this rule, if we want to go that far and forbid kibitzing during a match, although I think perhaps Patti had the right idea to just keep the kibitz out of games by watchers.  Many players enjoy banter along with the play and IMHO, it should be at the players option.  One of the posted rules says be quiet or be gagged/blinded, doesn't it?  But, I think that only applies to watchers.  Am I right? 

The game in question when vic was banned was in his own game with diddywhat.  It was just before his last roll, and had nothing to do with advice.  It was just a simple question/comment about what the next roll might be.  At least, this is my understanding of what occurred from the first post in this thread and with discussion with vic. 

socksey



Every morning is the dawn of a new error. - unknown

[vegasvic]

[an observation censored - Zorba]

Now is anyone paying 250 to enter these tourneys as we do live ABT tourneyments ?

For me this was always for fun and above all to learn by playing stronger players than i  like xx and xx and xx

Seems i am  wrong and this is not for fun but a life and death battle ... or just people like  xx kibitzing to xx "i love beating xx and seeing him hug a pillow and scream )) "... Now dont get bent out of shape xx it is not word for word , but i think you might agree the just of it is right on . besides you are not alone .

So people get the  right info , here is what was said in that match with 4 people watching .. even the TD KMA .
It was the last roll and i roll a dlb its over . Even the playing diddywhat has told me what was done is bogus .

You kibitz: ouch
You kibitz: not fair
You kibitz:
diddywhat kibitzes: k :"
You kibitz: well done
diddywhat kibitzes: k very lucky so far
You kibitz: good luck with resh
You kibitz: small hope vic
You kibitz: nope
You kibitz:
You kibitz:
diddywhat kibitzes: k thanks for the match if you doubles i'll cry]
You kibitz: could it be a dbl ?
You kibitz: pck
You kibitz: what do you think ?
You kibitz: 55 or the 44 ?

Now Ill just go my way and you all have fun vic bashing a little more .

edited removed names 1/9/13 stog

[hartkegirl]

I don't understand this debate. No one has control over the dice rolls and everyone wishes for the roll that they need. This seems like an unjust case of banishment in my opinion.

If you don't want any chatter between players in tourneys then remove the chat factor. This is suppose to be for fun not drama. Can't we all just get along, be adults and play nice?

[vegasvic]

I am still waiting for someone to tell me where i broke the rules of your tourney . with this conversation

You kibitz: ouch
You kibitz: not fair
You kibitz: 
diddywhat kibitzes: k :"
You kibitz: well done
diddywhat kibitzes: k very lucky so far
You kibitz: good luck with resh 
You kibitz: small hope vic
You kibitz: nope
You kibitz: 
You kibitz: 
diddywhat kibitzes: k thanks for the match if you doubles i'll cry]
You kibitz: could it be a dbl ?
You kibitz: pck
You kibitz: what do you think ?
You kibitz: 55 or the 44 ?

where in here am i asking for help ?

[diane]

[an observation censored - Zorba]

Now is anyone paying 250 to enter these tourneys as we do live ABT tourneyments ?  No - so why rattle on about this for weeks?

For me this was always for fun yes, I can see how much fun you are having

Seems i am  wrong and this is not for fun but a life and death battle well, you are certainly making this one

Now dont get bent out of shape who is bent out of shape again - you and everyone you have complained to about this, no doubt


It was the last roll and i roll a dlb its over . Even the playing diddywhat has told me what was done is bogus . Maybe not - or maybe yes - she is a human, if you had questioned her nicely, maybe she would have overturned it - but who wants to listen to you when you go into paddy mode though? apart from those who have to..either way - she is wisely moving on now - any chance you will, you can play again, you know - oh except for your own 'nose off to spite your face action'

Now, I am done and will let this run and run without further input - it really, really is old news and way past its sell by date.

BTW.. I note your original post had to be edited by two different admin to keep it forum safe, despite the 'squeaky clean' outlook your pals put on your actions

[socksey]

[quote author=diane link=topic=5781.msg35652#msg35652 date=1378090706

BTW.. I note your original post had to be edited by two different admin to keep it forum safe, despite the 'squeaky clean' outlook your pals put on your actions
[/quote]

What ever are you talking about?!  I see no editing done by anyone on vic's original post in this thread.

socksey

[vegasvic]

"Maybe not - or maybe yes - she is a human, if you had questioned her nicely, maybe she would have overturned it - but who wants to listen to you when you go into paddy mode though? apart from those who have to..either way - she is wisely moving on now - any chance you will, you can play again, you know - oh except for your own 'nose off to spite your face action'"

Get a freakin life i did ask her nicely and she had me gagged .

all she did was give me a ban in tell and gagged me . so who ever posted that on my comment knows Jack......T!!

and again i will say cubing when you are over match point does not move the dice .

yes KMA is a nice person and i am a villan bad bad . its not about who is nice and who is bad .

Dice do not move with your cube after match point no matter what pck might think ) , besides i did not cube so i did not take his advice )