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Backgammon => Backgammon => Topic started by: Pinbacker on July 23, 2015, 05:47:06 PM

Poll
Question: What's the best way to open with 6-4 against someone 200 Elo weaker than you?
Option 1: 24/18, 13/9 votes: 1
Option 2: 8/2, 6/2 votes: 1
Option 3: 24/14 votes: 2
Option 4: No opinion votes: 0
Title: What's the best way to open with 6-4 against someone 200 Elo weaker than you?
Post by: Pinbacker on July 23, 2015, 05:47:06 PM
Hello.

I'm about 1800 Elo.

The only opening roll I don't know how to play is the 6-4 roll.

I'm hesitating a lot between 24/18, 13/9 and 8/2, 6/2.

My main opponent is about 200 Elo weaker than me.
So what do you think I should play against him: 24/18, 13/9 or 8/2, 6/2 ?

Is one move objectively stronger than the other?
I've seen this rollout of the 6-4 opening roll: http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi?view+1326 (http://www.bkgm.com/rgb/rgb.cgi?view+1326)
The rollout is inconclusive, both moves seem to be approximately as good (within the margin of error).
But the rollout is 10 years old (January 2006).
Is there a more recent rollout of the 6-4 opening roll?

Thanks in advance for your replies.
Title: Re: What's the best way to open with 6-4 against someone 200 Elo weaker than you?
Post by: RobertFontaine on July 24, 2015, 01:21:29 PM

You would be far better off checking the score of the match first rather than your opponents elo.

At Gammon Go making the 2 point.
At Gammon Save running
At DMP Split

Having checked the score and decided you arent any of these 3

then the split maximizes contact and generally starts you off in a hitting exchange that may favour the player who is smart enough to consolidate assets and the race when the opportunity occurs.

When you run with 64 you get a simpler game when you don't get hit but when you do you start off behind in the race and and with less board development so you are at a double disadvantage when it fails.  It is however less of a gammonish game so certainly favours the Gammon Save plays.


Title: Re: What's the best way to open with 6-4 against someone 200 Elo weaker than you?
Post by: Pinbacker on July 27, 2015, 06:30:58 PM
So what you're telling me is that I should choose different move depending on the match situation:
- DMP
- GG
- GS
- the normal situation (when we're not in DMP, not in GG, and not in GS)
?

Should I follow the recommendation of this article which gives the best move depending on the match situation? : http://www.bkgm.com/openings/rollouts.html (http://www.bkgm.com/openings/rollouts.html)

That seems like much more work than just memorizing one best move for each of the 15 first rolls...