MayBeFlaky

[vegasvic]

Phone users do not get in my way . from enjoying fibs . i must add sometimes they make it more enjoyable for shits and giggles not for backgammon per say .

but i think it would be a mistake to ban them from fibs this is the thing of things to come i would like to have the ability to log on fibs mobile with the same nick .

but i do not know how you can stop abuse of players using multi nicks playing one phone against the other .

i am ok with them in general .

[dorbel]

So it's official. "No more newbies thanks" says socksey. "They cause lag, drop and I get disconnected unless I shout "giggle giggle" every five minutes".  Welcome to fibs.

[adrian]

The comments are just like what I expected. The ones who say Odesys should stay, don't even play with them, or did it occasionally , years ago and the ones who say they should go, have played them quite frequently, or even more, they tried that crappy software themselves.
It is the same as declaring yourself an ecologist, while you are driving a SUV with a  5.0 litres petrol engine and honking at someone with a hybrid car who gets in your way because he's avoiding a clown riding on rollerblades in the mid of a highway. Well, dear SUV drivers, play the Odesys users and speak afterwards, or continue to pass over them as you keep doing it by not playing them, and STFU on polls about it. Do something first and only after that, you may speak about what you did. Assumption or just the gut feeling that what should be done it is not right, makes you lazy cowards.  Anyways, as Patti stated, this poll is futile, it only helps some of us to vent, myself included.

Happy new year Friends!

[diane]

lag, number of users, picking on new players, hmm...these are all a bit red herring to me.

This isn't about saying a person, or group of people, should be banned or removed..it is simply saying..should one interface be removed.

Given that the same users could come back..using BGBlitz2Go on the same phone, a computer with any interface...this is not a witch hunt attacking any particular people.

They figured out how to: get the Odesys client, download it, register an account [or 50], log in and to work the controls...these are smart people...if they really want to play - they will find a way that will give them a more rewarding experience and help them be better members of the fibs community.

[diane]

it would still be entirely unjustified to attribute the cause of the lag only to a select group of people

I have never thought lag was due to a high number of users on fibs - I have seen it when numbers are relatively low, and not seen it when numbers are high [this morning was a classic case...full house of 250, with warning that fibs couldn't let anyone else in - but no lag]

I think lag is more an internet traffic issue, because it is much more 'time of day' related. I know I am not a nerd  but I do know there are peak times when internet traffic increases and things slow down - that *could* cause what we see regarding lost bits of commands and slow response times.

But the Odesys client still sucks 

[pck]

This isn't about saying a person, or group of people, should be banned or removed..it is simply saying..should one interface be removed.

Conjecture:
I've yet to see any discussion about phone users which focusses on technical instead of ethical issues.

Proof:

[...] they will find a way that will give them a more rewarding experience and help them be better members of the fibs community.

[pck]

[...]
It is the same as declaring yourself an ecologist, while you are driving a SUV with a  5.0 litres petrol engine and honking at someone with a hybrid car who gets in your way because he's avoiding a clown riding on rollerblades in the mid of a highway. Well, dear SUV drivers, play the Odesys users and speak afterwards, or continue to pass over them as you keep doing it by not playing them, and STFU on polls about it. Do something first and only after that, you may speak about what you did. Assumption or just the gut feeling that what should be done it is not right, makes you lazy cowards.
[...]

Must have been a hell of a new year's party.

[stiefnu]

I don't go looking for mobile phone users but when invited by one I'll accept, as long as they have a +ive rep.  Once or twice there've been interruptions but play has resumed and those matches have all been played to a conclusion.  So, speaking personally, I see no reason to vote for a ban.

[diane]

Conjecture:
I've yet to see any discussion about phone users which focusses on technical instead of ethical issues.

Proof:

red herring...you can fair see it flipping about on the end of the line 

[diane]

For me, this whole discussion has never been summed up better than a one liner today from Robert..

RobertFontaine shouts: i can't even get a phone user to finish when they are winning

How rewarding an experience is that for all concerned?

[pck]

[...]
How rewarding an experience is that for all concerned?

Like I said, it's always about ethics.

[Zorba]

Ban ban ban ban
ban ban ban
ban

There, that summed up all my arguments against the bandwidth-hogging, disconnection-prone, just-waiting-to-timeout, generally-disinterested-non-contributing phone players.

[ah_clem]

One of the first things I learned about playing on FIBS is never play a phone user.  Once I learned that, I have been able to happily co-exist with them.  They're irrelevant to my world.

So I would not push the button to ban them.  But if somebody else does, you won't hear a bit of kvetching about it from me.  In particular, Patti  has different concerns than me (eg she gets to hear all the complaints) so if she thinks it's the right thing to do I'll support that 100%. 


I voted "It depends" in case anyone is wondering.

[garp_02]

I voted 'no' for the same reasons that Clem has outlined. They don't affect me as I don't play them.

The only way they may have an influence on my enjoyment of the Fibs experience is if there are so many that I can't get logged in.

Maybe have a limit of phone users?

I have played a few pad users and they seem ok

[Tux]

Hi Patti,

It seems that the ban on Odesys is now becoming a reality.

I have it on my phone, but also use Fibzilla from my pooter.
I love to sit on the throne every morning and play on fibs.
Unfortunately my wife wont allow me to set up a pc in there, not sure why, so I use Odesys.
My phone is pretty fast and for years now I have zero dropped games 99% of the time.
When I see that its a slow day, I only play the bots, cause for some reason it goes alot faster against them.
That's probably why my reputation is good and why I have zero dropped games.

So I just voted no, because I think that Odesys is not the problem.
The problem is with some of the people that use it.

[Patti]

I blocked all of them for about 24 hours.

I've asked Odesys to block a subset of them for good-- they're the ones who have been causing the vast majority of the problems.

Soon I'll be able to do more granular blocking on the FIBS side, rather than just all-or-nothing for PhoneUsers.  As a side effect of this, their hostnames will no longer be PhoneUser.MayBeFlaky.net.   I expect to see this change within the next day or two.

[socksey]

I love to sit on the throne every morning and play on fibs.

OMG, too much info!   

Now I'll be wondering who's sitting on the crapper while I'm playing them!   

socksey



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[NIHILIST]

Resh is always the leading candidate.

Bob