Poll
I'm with you on this,for all the good reasons, we need another option to vote I think :thumbsup2:
Clearing the eight point means we'll be forced to crack next roll if we shake a six. I don't like that.
Clearing the six looks pretty and means we can play two more sixes before cracking, so that looks good.
Clearing the five means we can play two sixes and two fives before cracking, but it means we are forced to expose a blot if we roll 51. I think that's a fair trade.
Clearing the four is overkill.
Other options leave two blots so that we're less likely to win if we hit a shot, or they tear up the board too much.
5/2 5/3 for me.
Question: Herd to play 32 
Option 1: 8/5 8/6
votes: 4
Option 2: 8/3
votes: 2
Option 3: 6/3 6/4
votes: 1
Option 4: 5/2 5/3
votes: 4
Title: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: Julia_H on August 13, 2014, 07:39:24 PM
Post by: Julia_H on August 13, 2014, 07:39:24 PM
Someone is going to have to break for home soon... not yet though
Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: jeff on August 13, 2014, 07:54:08 PM
Post by: jeff on August 13, 2014, 07:54:08 PM
Where's my choice? 5/2, 5/3. That's such a bad move it's not even on the list, huh? Just like gnubg! :)
Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: dahlin on August 13, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
Post by: dahlin on August 13, 2014, 10:52:18 PM
Quote from: jeff on August 13, 2014, 07:54:08 PM
Where's my choice? 5/2, 5/3. That's such a bad move it's not even on the list, huh? Just like gnubg! :)
I'm with you on this,for all the good reasons, we need another option to vote I think :thumbsup2:
Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: Julia_H on August 14, 2014, 06:34:57 AM
Post by: Julia_H on August 14, 2014, 06:34:57 AM
Ask and it shall be given...
Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: ah_clem on August 15, 2014, 02:00:44 AM
Post by: ah_clem on August 15, 2014, 02:00:44 AM
Spoiler
Clearing the eight point means we'll be forced to crack next roll if we shake a six. I don't like that.
Clearing the six looks pretty and means we can play two more sixes before cracking, so that looks good.
Clearing the five means we can play two sixes and two fives before cracking, but it means we are forced to expose a blot if we roll 51. I think that's a fair trade.
Clearing the four is overkill.
Other options leave two blots so that we're less likely to win if we hit a shot, or they tear up the board too much.
5/2 5/3 for me.
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Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: jeff on August 15, 2014, 02:24:31 AM
Post by: jeff on August 15, 2014, 02:24:31 AM
Quote from: ah_clem on August 15, 2014, 02:00:44 AMThanks. Now, if we can just recruit two more voters.Spoiler
Clearing the eight point means we'll be forced to crack next roll if we shake a six. I don't like that.
Clearing the six looks pretty and means we can play two more sixes before cracking, so that looks good.
Clearing the five means we can play two sixes and two fives before cracking, but it means we are forced to expose a blot if we roll 51. I think that's a fair trade.
Clearing the four is overkill.
Other options leave two blots so that we're less likely to win if we hit a shot, or they tear up the board too much.
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Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: diane on August 15, 2014, 03:41:25 AM
Post by: diane on August 15, 2014, 03:41:25 AM
I voted :cool:
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with you on the moving from the 5 point..we need to leave something to move high numbers, or we will have to break before him, and risk shots - at a time when I dont want to..maybe in a bit, when his board aint so good!
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Title: Re: FFM19 Game 3 Move 23: Herd to play 32
Post by: ah_clem on August 18, 2014, 02:32:17 AM
Post by: ah_clem on August 18, 2014, 02:32:17 AM
rollout
The Herd's play is a whopper with cheese. But it's slightly better than the other contender, clearing the eight.
The right idea here is the hybrid play of 8/3. It preserves a six, makes a full prime, and with the open six point and homeboard blot across the board, the 11 shots are sound.
XGID=-BBABBBbB---c-----B-babcb-:0:0:1:32:2:1:0:5:10
1. Rollout¹ 8/3 eq:+0.486
Player: 62.36% (G:13.55% B:0.34%)
Opponent: 37.64% (G:2.88% B:0.05%)
Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.477..+0.496) - [100.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 32 seconds
2. Rollout¹ 6/4 6/3 eq:+0.373 (-0.113)
Player: 60.61% (G:10.04% B:0.15%)
Opponent: 39.39% (G:3.56% B:0.06%)
Confidence: ±0.011 (+0.362..+0.384) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 50 seconds
3. Rollout¹ 5/3 5/2 eq:+0.341 (-0.146)
Player: 59.81% (G:9.29% B:0.22%)
Opponent: 40.19% (G:3.73% B:0.14%)
Confidence: ±0.011 (+0.330..+0.352) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 50 seconds
4. Rollout¹ 8/6 8/5 eq:+0.335 (-0.151)
Player: 59.37% (G:12.36% B:0.30%)
Opponent: 40.63% (G:4.02% B:0.11%)
Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.325..+0.346) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 32 seconds
¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
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The Herd's play is a whopper with cheese. But it's slightly better than the other contender, clearing the eight.
The right idea here is the hybrid play of 8/3. It preserves a six, makes a full prime, and with the open six point and homeboard blot across the board, the 11 shots are sound.
XGID=-BBABBBbB---c-----B-babcb-:0:0:1:32:2:1:0:5:10
1. Rollout¹ 8/3 eq:+0.486
Player: 62.36% (G:13.55% B:0.34%)
Opponent: 37.64% (G:2.88% B:0.05%)
Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.477..+0.496) - [100.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 32 seconds
2. Rollout¹ 6/4 6/3 eq:+0.373 (-0.113)
Player: 60.61% (G:10.04% B:0.15%)
Opponent: 39.39% (G:3.56% B:0.06%)
Confidence: ±0.011 (+0.362..+0.384) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 50 seconds
3. Rollout¹ 5/3 5/2 eq:+0.341 (-0.146)
Player: 59.81% (G:9.29% B:0.22%)
Opponent: 40.19% (G:3.73% B:0.14%)
Confidence: ±0.011 (+0.330..+0.352) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 50 seconds
4. Rollout¹ 8/6 8/5 eq:+0.335 (-0.151)
Player: 59.37% (G:12.36% B:0.30%)
Opponent: 40.63% (G:4.02% B:0.11%)
Confidence: ±0.010 (+0.325..+0.346) - [0.0%]
Duration: 1 minute 32 seconds
¹ 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
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