Thorpe counts Kleinman counts

[adamosad]

Dorpel, these obscure words are standard words which are used by statisticians. These people know about what i am trying to say. If you do not know anything about statistics is not my fault. You can study more in order to learn if you want. The book i mentioned contains lots of information about statistics.

If you draw any conclusions from them that are of interest, do let us know.

Some people who understand statistics maybe find it interesting to see from what statistical methods these formulas came and see a more sophisticated mathematical method of comparison between them.

[diane]

Dorpel, these obscure words are standard words which are used by statisticians. These people know about what i am trying to say. If you do not know anything about statistics is not my fault. You can study more in order to learn if you want. The book i mentioned contains lots of information about statistics.

If you draw any conclusions from them that are of interest, do let us know.

Some people who understand statistics maybe find it interesting to see from what statistical methods these formulas came and see a more sophisticated mathematical method of comparison between them.

Can I be out of town when dorbel reads that??  

The point he is making adam (and he is not alone) - is that what you have said may or may not make sense to you - but it makes little to anyone else. Some of the problem may be a language issue - and most do try very hard not to let that get in the way of understanding - but most of the post was jargon - pure and simple.  I am a scientist - and use a whole host of stats - and know about most of the techniques - even if I dont use them in relation to backgammon.  The point is - if you want to help those at a basic level - use more readily understood terms - those ready for the higher level can go read for themselves.  Quoting such jargon without giving an idea what it means does not so much make you look smart - as make you look like a well trained parrot.  If you can explain - in a way I can use in my everyday game -  I will be very interested.

According to statistical and econometrician methods the estimator who minimize the sum of squares error under some assumptions is the best estimator.

Gauss-Markov Theorem says that: under some assumptions (linearity, strict exogeneity, no multicollinearity and spherical error variance) this kind of estimator (Ordinary Least Squares) is efficient in the class of linear unbiased estimators. For more info see "Fumio Hayashi Econometrics Princeton University Press" or any other good statistical or econometrical book.

this does not in any way suggest what the advantage of this technique is, or how to use it.

[lewscannon]

Fumio Hayashi? Sounds like someone who spends most of his day at the Bulldog in Amsterdam.

[diane]

Fumio Hayashi? Sounds like someone who spends most of his day at the Bulldog in Amsterdam.

Anyone else think resh is lining this up for his next nick??

[Noah]

A ha, i knew i met Fumio Hayashi somewhere,,,,,,,,  

[adamosad]

I know that some people want something simple to understand it.

A lot of computer science guys here, are talking about a lot of techniques because they know a lot about this subject. E.g. several computer languages. No-one told them anything. (Even if they do not use a referee)

After i finish my bachelor and master, i join PhD program in economics. I study a lot of statistical and econometrician techniques. I thought that it was useful to describe the methods that the writer of the last formula had in mind, in order to invent his own formula.

I also wrote a referee (we use referees in our thesis) for the people who do not understand econometrics or they know little about statistics. I have never laughed with someone's job in my entire life. Fumio Hayashi is a Japanese professor that spent his life studying for the good of econometrics. I spent a lot of my time reading his books and articles. If you do not respect him or me, at least respect my time for writing a reply that i thought that it may be useful!!!

I didn't want to say something bad for Dorbel. Try to put yourselves in my position and tell me how you are going to feel if some people were trying to humiliate your work.....I wanted only to help....

[diane]

I know that some people want something simple to understand it, Diane.

A lot of computer science guys here, are talking about a lot of techniques because they know a lot about this subject. E.g. several computer languages. No-one told them anything. (Even if they do not use a referee)

I also wrote a referee (we use referees in our thesis) for the people who do not understand econometrics or they know little about statistics. I have never laughed with someone's job in my entire life. Fumio Hayashi is a Japanese professor that spent his life studying for the good of econometrics. I spent a lot of my time reading his books and articles. If you do not respect him or me, at least respect my time for writing a reply that i thought that it may be useful!!!

I didn't want to say something bad for Dorpel and you know it. Try to put yourself in my position and tell me how you are going to feel if some people were trying to humiliate your work.....I wanted only to help....

Nobody is humiliating anyones work - just he does have a rather humerous name - as it is pronounced here    It is lews job to be silly - we expect nothing less of him.

The word you need to use here btw - is reference (referee is a person who attests to your good character or abilities) - here you mean the paper or source of the information - this is not to nitpick - but simply clarify things.

And next - the point isnt that we dont appreciate your input - we dont understand it !! Or its relevance to bearoff postions - we are asking that, rather than use jargon (ie name the technique)  - you explain why this method is better - and prefferably how to use it in day to day backgammon games.  So far you have not really said anything that makes me rush to look at those references - it looks far too scary!!

In your original post - you joked about the one eyed man having a small advantage over the blind man - suggesting anyone can be a little better - and it will help overall.  This I agree with - BUT - I dont see the references you cite as being for those who want to be a little better - but for those who have serious mathematical skills - and want to be very very good!!

[adamosad]

You are so fast Diane, so u saw the reply before i modified it and made it a general one....

I know that my english are not fluent like yours. Thx for correcting me.

Ok i admit that my post was made for those who have mathimaticals skills as you said.
Anyone who has that skills can see that reference!!!Case is closed!!!