Next target: racists and villains

[Patti]

If you can provide a single shout from me that is "racistic" or "rude", I will give you all of my 150 NACCI points, lol.

PersianLord|retardeds must be sterilisated|Sat Apr 19 10:53:01 2008

PersianLord|every Turk is a potential dropper|Mon Apr 28 13:03:10 2008

[jackdaddy]

Thanks Patti

[PersianLord]

PL, you're naive.  Anyone who had their account deleted would just create a new one with a similar handle, pump their rating up, and go right back to where they were.  I've dealt with similar situations many times, and I've never seen anyone go, "OK, you're right, I won't do that anymore", and then stick to it.

Besides, you haven't told me *how* you expect this all to happen.

Again I claim that even threatening to deleting the accounts will make MOST of the abusers behave normally. Did you really do this at least once to see the results? Apart from rating, "experience" and "reputation" are also factors that almost all of fibsters care about them. And these are not be achieved within one night, they need months and years. So when you delete the account of an abuser, s/he will be forced to toil for a long period of time to build an identity with high experience and high reputation, and perhaps high rating, to be heard and to get attention by the fibs community. Here the wiser abusers will choose not to be rude anymore and the dumber ones will get punished for their immoral behaviour. Thus and from then on, at least there will be some serious "risk" for being rude and as said that will be enough to make MOST of the known abusers abstaining from their heinous acts.

And honestly speaking, if you really can't do anything about this issue, then I think moral principles rule that you should erase those warnings and statements and inform the wannbe-fibsters that there will no punishment for being racist or rude, so those who care about such things might be able to choose whether they want to be in such an environment or not. This is perhaps the most suitable solution I guess.

Regards

[PersianLord]

PersianLord|retardeds must be sterilisated|Sat Apr 19 10:53:01 2008

PersianLord|every Turk is a potential dropper|Mon Apr 28 13:03:10 2008

The first shout is not racistic nor rude, other than you claim that retarded people are a race or an ethnic group.

The second one is not racistic as well. I ask you to quote my other shouts regarding Turks as well. I remember that I said : "Turks are definitely a lovely and kind people". Didn't I?  so please post them here for the sake of honesty.

Regards

[jackdaddy]

Some of my best friends are Turks

[Patti]

Again I claim that even threatening to deleting the accounts will make MOST of the abusers behave normally. Did you really do this at least once to see the results?

Many, many times.  I've even deleted such accounts multiple times.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you propose to enforce this.  Am I supposed to be on FIBS 24/7 reading every piece of chat?

[PersianLord]

Many, many times.  I've even deleted such accounts multiple times.

I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you propose to enforce this.  Am I supposed to be on FIBS 24/7 reading every piece of chat?

So what about the white elephant? NIHolympic has been insulting almost EVERY fibster, perhaps exept for HG, for years and still enjoys the freedom to keep insulting and shouting racistic trash. I doubt that any other fibster in history of fibs been more abusive and rude then this guy.This single case proves that the laws have not been enforced.

And I told "how". Just appoint some of your reliable friends to form a "law enforcement committe" and they'll provide you with enough data to decide. Surely there are some volunteers to do this job.

Regards

[Patti]

And NIHI is a prime example of someone who had his account deleted for being a jerk, and it didn't stop him.

Do you really think that having a FIBS "language police force" is a good thing?  If nothing else, anyone who is actually qualified to do the job would be unwilling to take it.  Besides, that would still require me to review a bunch of stuff and take useless actions.

If you doubt that any FIBSter has been more abusive and rude than Bob, you've never met TomServo.  On a scale of one to ten, Bob's about a three.  TomServo was a 27.  It was because of him that I nearly banned all of AOL some years ago.

[Noah]

1th if anyone does rude in shout, i would not give attention to it in shouts.

2th if the words come closer in Tells i would ignore........ Gag & Blind.

[Patti]

Oh yeah, and even many years later TomServo occasionally creates a new account.  I have automatic notification in place (don't ask me how... I just do) and delete it promptly.

[PersianLord]

Do you really think that having a FIBS "language police force" is a good thing? 

If you ask MY opinion, definitely yes.

[playBunny]

And honestly speaking, if you really can't do anything about this issue, then I think moral principles rule that you should erase those warnings and statements and inform the wannbe-fibsters that there will no punishment for being racist or rude, so those who care about such things might be able to choose whether they want to be in such an environment or not. This is perhaps the most suitable solution I guess.

Hear, hear.

For as long as I've been coming here I've been reading that server message about intolerance of racists and abusers. It gives a negative impression of the administration to see how those fine words are empty and worthless, month after month, year after year. To rub it in, those words are out there in the greater Internet as Fibs words yet "All sorts of racists and fascists are not allowed to login here! Rude language will not be tolerated on this server. " is actually a lie, or, if that's too strong, a false promise at best.

Doing what you say you'll do would be great. Not promising what you won't or can't do, that works too. It'll do nothing for the atmosphere in shouits but at least it won't make the site administration look [insert your choice of several appropriate negatives].

[Patti]

For the record, I did not write those words.  I inherited them from the author of FIBS.

PersianLord, if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you.  I'm not much of an advocate for censorship, and I can guarantee you that the language police force will never exist.

[playBunny]

For the record, I did not write those words.  I inherited them from the author of FIBS.

Yes, I understand that now but, amazingly, newbies who join Fibs may not realise for the longest time that "Patti" and "Fibs" are synonymous in some ways. I certainly didn't and I often used to wonder who this Patti was whose name kept cropping up (eg. rec.games.backgammon) because it was always taken for granted that people knew who you were!

[PersianLord]

For the record, I did not write those words.  I inherited them from the author of FIBS.

PersianLord, if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you.  I'm not much of an advocate for censorship, and I can guarantee you that the language police force will never exist.

I think that "inhertiance" was very valuable and honorable , alas it was not recognized and respected. And what would have you said, if you were Marvin?

You asked MY opinion and I told it. It's very sad to see that adminstrator of a server asking the members to leave because she can't implement the most basic and globally accpeted behavioural laws and principles that are also clearly stated and announced to be implemented. Your words, Patti, also mean that from now on, every fibster is allowed to use any kind of language s/he wants, whether it be racistic, fascistic or rude. I hope this will not result in worsening the already decadent situation of public shouts.

Regards

[Patti]

(a) I'm not asking you to leave.  I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.

(b) What you're asking for is absolutely not a basic and globally accepted behavioral law.

(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want.  It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.

(d) FIBS gives you the tools to customize your experience of the environment.  Gag is your friend.  Be proactive and take control of your own experience rather than complaining that someone else isn't maintaining it the way you want.

[playBunny]

(a) I'm not asking you to leave.  I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.

That's really a bit of spin on that sentiment. It's a suggestion that says "I don't care but if you go away it will get you out of my hair". It's an attitude that is often seen when someone expresses a desire for some change. When it comes from the site management it's rather disappointing. But even though that's rarer it's still all too common. Then again, maybe when I'm site manager somewhere I'll get to use that line and see it from the other side. lol

(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want.  It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.

Uh-uh, not Persian Lord's. It means that the proclaimed Fibs high standards will not be met. And that means that any language at all is effectively permitted, something which can readily be verified by listening in to shouts.

[Patti]

I said "if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you."

An intelligent person would parse that as, "FIBS is not a language-sanitized playground.  If you're looking for a place that is language-sanitized, FIBS isn't what you're looking for."  If FIBS doesn't make you happy, then you should probably look for a different server because FIBS isn't going to change to accommodate your desires.

FIBS is what it is... some good, some bad.  Some people love it that way, and others find that it's not really their cup of tea. 

I've rather patiently explained to you that what you're asking for (a) is quite a lot of work for me, and (b) will not be successful.  You don't seem to want to believe either of those things.  As far as I can tell, you have two months of experience as a FIBS user.  I'm telling you from my 15 years as a user and 12 as admin that you're asking me to do a LOT of work that will have no appreciable effect.  Why won't you believe me?

[PersianLord]

(a) I'm not asking you to leave.  I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.

(b) What you're asking for is absolutely not a basic and globally accepted behavioral law.

(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want.  It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.

(d) FIBS gives you the tools to customize your experience of the environment.  Gag is your friend.  Be proactive and take control of your own experience rather than complaining that someone else isn't maintaining it the way you want.

OK, Patti. Thanks.

I'm done posting.

Regards

[webrunner]

One question Patti:
You manage to ban a whole country based on IP addresses, can't you ban one user's IP address when you delete someone's account?

Also a swearing filter (optional, toggle or or of) might be a solution.
I do find it offensive the language that is sometimes shouted, especially because there are often children online.