World Cup selection

[tryout]

I think you're surprised and sad that I called his bluff. It's pretty obvious that your action is designed to take Eddie off the hook and prevent him from looking like a bigger fool than he already is.

Gosh, the only thing obvious is your utter lack of any decent behaviour.

You guys decide what you want to do, in the meantime I'll proceed in setting up a tourney based on the World Cup format complete with prize money and NO ENTRY FEE.

Now that would finally be a hopefully positive thing against your a**hole behaviour. The only thing is that I can't believe it before seeing it with my own eyes.

[NIHILIST]

I think you have every right to do whatever you like with your tourney. The question I have, that you've never addressed, is WHY DID YOU ALLOW ME TO PLAY SEVERAL MATCHES AND QUALIFY FOR WORLD CUP and THEN decide to ban me ?

The actions that so offended you took place LONG BEFORE World Cup was put in place. Exactly when did you decide I had offended you enough that you needed to ban me ?

Truth is, if I had known in advance that it was YOUR tourney, I'd never have entered.


NIHI

[tryout]

WHY DID YOU ALLOW ME TO PLAY SEVERAL MATCHES AND QUALIFY FOR WORLD CUP and THEN decide to ban me ?

Because BagOlympics is not run by me. It's an independent event, but serves as qualification for World Cup. I could neither allow nor disallow you. You're REALLY SLOW in grasping.

The actions that so offended you took place LONG BEFORE World Cup was put in place.

Your post of question dates Jul 20 2004, 02:57 AM. We started World Cup in June or even before. So what's your point?

Truth is, if I had known in advance that it was YOUR tourney, I'd never have entered.

Aren't you responsible yourself for getting all needed information before?

[NIHILIST]

Look, its a little disingenuous of you to suggest that the right hand ( World Cup ) doesn't know what the left hand ( BAGO ) is doing. The fact is, and you just re-stated it, that BAGO serves as the qualifying vehicle for YOUR tourney.

If you objected to my participation in YOUR tourney, why didn't you let the BAGO TD know ? He could have advised me then and this wouldn't be an issue.

If you objected to my presence in YOUR tourney, why didn't you ban me IMMEDIATELY after I won my eligibility ?

The truth is that your action is a result of an exchange of insults between Diane and me which occurred outside of ANY tourney activity. Why don't you try a bit of honesty and simply admit what everyone else already knows ?

NIHI

[dorbel]

The story so far.
(1) tryout tries to ban NIHI from playing in team fibs, on the grounds that he created a new nick especially for the event. There was no rule in place to justify this, nor could there be as many fibsters have two or more nicks. However, as always, a TD may refuse entry to any person without giving cause. Every tournament is in effect invitational.
(2) Eventually he agrees that NIHi can play, but refuses to accept team brb's new team name of try_fascism_out. There followed an entertaining thread in which souptree and NIHI continued to bait tryout, with NIHI reaching new heights of offensiveness when he asked rhetorically whether tryout would next ban jews , gypsies and other non-aryans. The team league proceeds without them
(3) NIHI gains a qualifying score for the World Cup but the organisers ignore their own rules and without notifying NIHI, select another player instead. They have the right to do this (see above) but appear to have handled the matter rather badly. The original rules should have stated clearly that the organisers would only consider inviting the highest scorer in each month. NIHI should have been informed. He is capable of startling rudeness and often makes xenophobic remarks, but he isn't some criminal!
(4) There follows another dramatic thread, initiated by me, at the end of which EddieVedd, without consulting tryout, hands everything over to the person who was so repulsive that he couldnt be allowed to play! Tryout throws a fit, not unreasonably and lashes out in all directions.
So where do we go from here? I still think my idea of an elected panel to which players arbitrarily banned could appeal is reasonable. I think fibs shouts should continue uncensored and for all practical purposes ignored. I think that NIHI should withdraw and offer proper regret for past nazi remarks directed at tryout. Then perhaps everybody might like to draw a deep breath and work together to restore credibility to the world cup and make it what it should be, an axciting international tournament, ideally inclusive of as many people as possible. The original qualification through bagolympic was far too restrictive. Run a proper qualifier.
The whole point of fibs is for players from all countries, all races and all political persuasions to play together, irrespective of their differences. Where NIHI or Biggles are concerned for example, I find myself diametrically opposed to their politics and amazed by their abrasive style of argument, but we play without difficulty. Playing together keeps channels open and allows the possibility of friendly communication in the future. Banning, rudeness and refusing to play with each other does the opposite.
What we need here is a mother. Perhaps Maman Eve should come along and say, "Now I don't care WHO started it............"  

[NIHILIST]

Or Tryout could draw a deep breath, rename his tourney XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX  and restrict entry to all but XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.

XXXXXXXXXXXXXX

NIHI

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[dorbel]

Breathtaking. Given the opportunity we can always rely on NIHILIST to come up with the goods. He should be a perfect individual to run a friendly international tournament.  

[NIHILIST]

Well, you neglected another obvious course of action; I apologize and Tryout allows me to play in a tourney I already qualified for.

NIHI

[dorbel]

Yes i can quite see that repeating the insult and amplifying it would be helpful. I am sure that you will make a great TD, but you could end up playing with yourself you know.

[EddieVedd]

Nihilist. Good to hear you have chosen to become productive. I will write to all those who have qualified and ask that they seek you out as i can not find an e-mail address for you. To date i have contacted all participants via fibs tell or message and asked they send me their address. Perhaps you should do this now given the time constraints. You will need to talk with Tomawaky about accessing html for updates on the web page, or start your own. You will also need to manually carry out the Team section of the tourney as clearly you will not be allowed access to tryout's team league. Alternatively you will come up with your own idea and let all participants know asap I'm sure.  

[NIHILIST]

And you are doing this because....................?

When last heard from you were washing your hands of things and handing World Cup over to me. Your pal Tryout seems to have other ideas.

So what is the purpose of all these actions you have taken ? To what end ? Is World Cup my responsibility or not ?


NIHI

[NIHILIST]

My email is  XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX


NIHI


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[Tomawaky]

I can understand that
- Tryout ban Nihilist from his tourney if he had personnal troubles with him (I would maybe do the same if I felt that somebody doesn't respect me)
- Eddie feed up with all those comments and want to give up

But I will be Sorry if Tryout and Eddie let this tourney to other hands cause
- Tryout have done some great job in organizing TEAM tourney
- And Eddie is always powerfull to make things go ahead
So I will Thanks to you both to make things go to this point and hope you will consider both on the future of the Worl Cup. Cause I am sure it will be a great event.

But with experience I know that runnig tourney is not the more difficult and it is all that little stuff by the side which are the most difficult to manage.

And If Nihilist goes on this project I want to wish him best of luck cause he will see that is not always easy to satisfy everybody at the same time and to be open to criticism. But I try, since now even 3 years, and I hope most of you appreciate the work.



Sorry to be not there often this times but I changed house and have lost my Internet connection

[diane]

Given that bago serves as the qualifying tournament for your world cup tournament, as a fellow American I would like to hear what your opinion is on what should be done regarding the timezone issue. I define this as the the bias towards convenient European playing times and away from convenient playing times for Americans.

Unlike some, I don't believe this was done intentionally.

I am glad people realise that - really most of the original slots were no good for me to TD - although I tried. Sorry, but being up until 1 or 2 am on sunday night was a bind for me - even only once a month.
The other major point is that one of the best American players - and clearly they wanted him on their team, is Biggles.  As Biggles tells us, at length, he only plays from work - therefore - for him to be able to compete, the other slot needed to be one he could make.  Tuesdays seemed fine for that.  

I have also pointed out (and it was discussed at length in the other thread) that in order to get the optimum slot for a time zone - you need a TD from that time zone, so hopefully someone will respond to your calls.    

[Tomawaky]

That's right.
No complain if there is more time zone slot.
All we need is enough TDs avaible at this time to make a new slot always avaible during the month with other backup TD to not have session missed cause the TD would not available to connect.

Hard for me to tell that   cause I missed a lot actually but again thanks to others TDs who backup me :agree:  

[Biggles]

I'm trying to figure out where we are in the World Cup.


Let's see, Eddie makes a grandiose statement that he's leaving as Tournament Director and makes a pretty direct challenge for someone to pick up for him in his absence.  He has an attitude of, 'Well take that, and I bet nobody will do it'.

NIHI tells Eddie and tryout that he'll do it.

As far as I'm concerned, NIHI is now a World Cup tourament director and tryout better figure out how to make this work out with him, personal vendettas or not.

As it stands now, under the rules that were posted, NIHI qualified for World Cup, and has also taken over for Eddie as World Cup tournament director.

I'm still hoping that the transistion from Eddie to NIHI is smooth and that we can get on with the World Cup as it was originally laid out.

Can we get a status please?



Bigg

[zoeboy]

Biggles, NIHILISTs' attempts to resurrect this fine tournament from the ashes of over-emotionalism are not going unnoticed! Perhaps time, further study, and more reflection will either modify or enrich the analysis offered previously, but tryout's words set the intellectual and moral stage for a new wave of jackbooted policies that seek to turn peaceful tournaments into embarrassing scandals.

While I agree with others' assessment that the damage of NIHILISTs' theoretical insults  run deep, still, he has been a veritable oasis of civility in the present debate. I put that observation into this letter just to let you see that it would be wrong to imply that he is involved in some kind of conspiracy to destabilize the already volatile social fabric of this backgammon community.

But tryout will probably respond to this letter just like he responds to all criticism. He will put me down as "effete" or "overbearing". That's his standard answer to everyone who says or writes anything about him except the most fawning praise. Am I angry about losing the World Cup? You bet. If tryout's apothegms get any more contemptuous, I expect they'll grow legs and attack us in our sleep.

There is an implicit assumption here that I don't expect everyone to agree with me. And that's all I have to say.

[diane]

But tryout will probably respond to this letter just like he responds to all criticism. He will put me down as "effete" or "overbearing".

Nope - it is a whole lot harder than that to upset tryout    

[NIHILIST]

I, like Biggles, would like to know where we are with this. So far Eddie has lived up to nothing in his earlier posts. I gave him my email, got nothing. I tried to engage him in conversation in order to move this forward, got nothing.

I am prepared to go forward with the World Cup as originally concepted ( with the handover Eddie offered ) or with no cooperation from Eddie and with modifications of my own.

I just want to know if Eddie is honoring his original offer or reneging altogether.


NIHI

[zoeboy]

I would like to clarify some comments that have been made recently regarding EddieVedd. What follows is a set of observations I have made about antisocial lunatics like NIHILIST and Biggles. You may make the comment, "What does this have to do with World Cup?" Well, once you begin to see the light, you'll realize that NIHILIST thinks that the sun rises just for him. I would say that that claim is 70% folderol, 20% twaddle, and 10% another invidious attempt to  make power-drunk generalizations to support reckless, preconceived views. All the while NIHILIST's put-downs of Eddie manifest themselves in two phases. Phase one: break down the traditional TD values. Phase two: perpetuate harmful behaviour.

On the other hand, EddieVedd possesses no significant intellectual skills whatsoever and has no interest in erudition. Heck, he can't even spell or define "erudition", much less achieve it.

If I had to choose the most officious specimen from NIHILIST's welter of drugged-out gabble, it would have to be his claim that the rest of the TourneyBot admins are an inferior group of people, fit only to be enslaved, verbally beaten, and butchered at the whim of our supposed betters.

Why is EddieVedd really so appalling to NIHILIST? Is it because the underlying reasons and causes for his combative mottos must be defined, examined, and resolved, or they'll never cease? Or because there is blood on his hands? For crying out loud, once you realize that NIHI's  standard operating procedure is to glorify himself and other self-righteous, bloodthirsty parasites, you will see the true picture.

Many people who follow EddieVedd's posts have come to the erroneous conclusion that tryout's intolerance for those assumed to hold different value systems from his is so great, so mentally debilitating, so handicapping to his thought processes that he is capable of a large array of negative feelings. Don't make the mistake of thinking otherwise. EddieVedd does, and that's why he reads fibs forums that feature the disrespect, degradation, dehumanization, and exploitation of newbies and tourney moderators. It's that simple. As everyone knows, he is a man of questionable moral character. What you might not know, however, is that NIHILIST claims that might makes right.