Author Topic: Fibs Shout Archive (Read 41683 times)

diane · « **Reply #60 on:** June 01, 2005, 07:44:08 PM »

I am so glad to read that I cant begin to say

The data that will be available, will be both useful and interesting - and indeed an enhancement to FIBS - I cant wait to be able to mine that.

As for the respect of you-know-who - whyever would ya want that ??

FIBS Board backgammon forum · « **Reply #60 on:** June 01, 2005, 07:44:08 PM »

socksey · « **Reply #61 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:20:43 PM »

Gammboy, for the sanity of inim, diane, and vegas_vic, I am happy for your decision. Oh, well, another day!

Cheers...............socksey

"Things turn out best for those who make the best of the way things turn out." - Art Linkletter

diane · « **Reply #62 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:22:36 PM »

Werent there 15 other people who didnt want this - or have we another corrupt poll??

If so - cant you do something about that?

And my sanity was never at risk

Chris · « **Reply #63 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:52:09 PM »

<- also voted against a spy bot

FIBS Board backgammon forum · « **Reply #63 on:** June 01, 2005, 08:52:09 PM »

socksey · « **Reply #64 on:** June 01, 2005, 09:02:14 PM »

Webbie is the only one who would know if the poll is corrupt and the person/s corrupting, if there is such person/s, and the only one who can do anything about it. I know webrunner worked VERY hard to prevent that happening again, but as inim points out...........there are some very strong programs out there. I suppose we can expect anything to be done at any time, published shout log or not.

Am I becoming paranoid, now?

My reference to the sanity of inim, vic, and you was merely a figure of speech, diane, meant for humor value only.

socksey

"This is not a novel to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force." - Dorothy Parker.

inim · « **Reply #65 on:** June 01, 2005, 10:17:33 PM »

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there are some very strong programs out there. I suppose we can expect anything to be done at any time, published shout log or not.

This is the complete list of adresses which may, at the time of this writing, be endpoints of the TOR network for access to www.fibsboard.com:80. Votes coming from one of those should be discarded.

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gammboy · « **Reply #66 on:** June 01, 2005, 11:01:25 PM »

As a side note, I have ended logging shouts to save DB space. I am logging all raw data during development, but that will end too as soon as I get the DB nailed down.

GB

diane · « **Reply #67 on:** June 01, 2005, 11:04:10 PM »

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My reference to the sanity of inim, vic, and you was merely a figure of speech, diane, meant for humor value only.

That is my idea of funny too - guess not everyone gets it - but for a clue - if I post this

, I am joking

FIBS Board backgammon forum · « **Reply #67 on:** June 01, 2005, 11:04:10 PM »

gammboy · « **Reply #68 on:** June 02, 2005, 12:39:33 AM »

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Werent there 15 other people who didnt want this - or have we another corrupt poll??

I don't know if this poll is corrupt. I do know that Inim launched a FUD campaign on Fibs posting the link to the poll and scaring the hell out of people for no good reason. Thats why I said the poll was poisoned.

What is important is that some fibsters posted real, reasonable, valid concerns. I asked if people wanted a shout log, and the answer came back clearly, "no". Inim's opinion played into that, but his threats and FUD campaign didn't.

If the poll had been 55 for and 1 against, and the 1 against said "What if someone posts my phone number?" The decision would have been the same. That is an insurmountable problem, a show stopper.

Some folks here feel that I need their permission to do what I want to do. I need only Patti's. For now, I have it. What I want is more constructive input from fibsters on how to make this a really good, useful, entertaining, fun project; an enhancement to the fibs experience.

GB

Carolina_Blue · « **Reply #69 on:** June 02, 2005, 03:08:27 AM »

I am oppossed! My dear friend Anakin makes extremely rude, vulgar, sexist, homophobic, jingoist, etc. shouts. Someone reading these remarks would think my dear friend Anakin was off his medication. To archive shouts, could cause new members to have a clear grasp of what a slimeball Anakin is.

I want them to learn that on their own.

Mookie · « **Reply #70 on:** June 02, 2005, 04:10:07 AM »

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I am oppossed! My dear friend Anakin makes extremely rude, vulgar, sexist, homophobic, jingoist, etc. shouts. Someone reading these remarks would think my dear friend Anakin was off his medication. To archive shouts, could cause new members to have a clear grasp of what a slimeball Anakin is.

I want them to learn that on their own.

That is the first and only "NO" response that makes a lick of sense to me. Well done, Blue.

mookie

p.s. GAMM, thanks for your consideration and thoughtfulness of all the wrongheaded reasons.

webrunner · « **Reply #71 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:04:38 AM »

I just researched the poll results and i can tell you that it is very unlikely that they have been tampered with..
Every vote was made from a different IP address and there are almost no new members that have voted.

FIBS Board backgammon forum · « **Reply #71 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:04:38 AM »

inim · « **Reply #72 on:** June 02, 2005, 08:30:20 PM »

What is Fibs? Is it a server? And who owns Fibs? Is it Patti, Andreas and Kit, the team we owe so much?

No. Fibs first of all is a lively community breathing new life into a battered piece of software each day. It is a unique place, ancient for the standards of the fast paced Internet it spearheaded 13 years ago.

There are a number of bots running 24/7 here, technically able to record and "spy". There's monitor, repbot, tourneybot and the mgnu gang. What makes watchdog and bigbrother so different? Why did I oppose them while never even thinking of "FUD campaining" against the others?

It's not the bots, it's their master. Certainly Gammboy is full of good intentions, but he sees Fibs as a technical thing, a stream of bits and bytes -- mere food for a data miner. Doing so he misses the very soul of fibs. It's all about the people, and it's all about trust. Trust is earned, not grabbed. It is based on mutual respect. It is based on personal interaction, on thousands of STFUs and "hi, gl"s.

I did not feel much respect for the community in Gammboy's recent behaviour. In the last days of intense debate he did not bother to enter the very shout he wanted to publish. He rather was hiding behind his toys. The only thing visible were his postings, heralding a lonesome decision once in a while. He thinks of Fibs as an anonymous game server, just like the hundreds that popped up like mushrooms recently. It ain't. Fibs may be an old rag doll, but I won't trade it for the brand new Backgammon-O-Matic 2100.

Nevertheless, the worst excess was turned down and shouts won't be fed to google. I would be lying if I said I'm happy now the issue was "won". I'm still sceptical. But let's be positive, Gammboy probably is good at heart and his proposed service will find a place among the other bots, contributing to Fibs. He may even learn what is beyond and behind CLIP while programming parsers for it.

Gammboy was given a chanche, by Patti herself. Alea jacta est, it may turn out to be a double six.

inim

gammboy · « **Reply #73 on:** June 02, 2005, 09:49:31 PM »

You don't understand, Inim. Over the years, I have been an occaisional player and contributor to the fibs community, engaging in shouts and making a few friends, and no enemies (that I'm aware of) along the way. I had (at last check) no complaints with repbot, and have never dropped a game, ever, even with the bots. I do not cheat to jack my rating (like some we both know), nor do I ever complain (or vouch) to repbot about anyone with whom I have not personally played.

My intention all along has been to give some of my time and talents back to Fibs, (since it's obvious my talent is not playing backgammon

. Thats what this is all about. Thats why I started this thread, to get feedback from the PEOPLE of Fibs. Its *ALL* about the community, the people. I never said (or meant to say) that I intended to post a shout log anywhere, as you have asserted that I did. I ASKED if fibsters WANTED me to. There's a huge difference there. I had hoped this would be an interactive project, where fibsters have a say in the final product. And it was all going along fine, with people for both sides contributing constructivly to the thread, until you launched your FUD.

So, you have launched this FUD campaign against me, personally and my work. Work that is designed and intended to BENEFIT the PEOPLE of Fibs. I have endured threats, name calling, ping floods, tell floods, port scans, and various DoS attempts from you or the people you have unnecessarily enflamed. All because I wanted to spend my time, effort and money doing something good for them. Something you completely misunderstood.

I respect your opinions and defend your right to make them known. I am a resonable, respectable, stand-up guy, and I will listen to any reasonable argument. Those people of fibs who know me, know that to be true. You are trying (and succeeding) in making me out to be something evil to those who don't know better. That is the injustice here. A few days back, as you demo'd your bot, ElectricVic, for me, you asked me if I was on the dark side. You should ask yourself the same question. And while you are asking, ask yourself who has done the Fibs community the greater disservice here?

GB

inim · « **Reply #74 on:** June 03, 2005, 03:33:40 PM »

Rather than demonizing me as a person, raising inidirect accusations too ridiculous to even deny, look at what happened. You lost a democratic poll by a large margin. Personally I see the reason in your disrespectful behaviour (e.g. "LOL - Inim, you kill me.", "'anonymization' You're kidding, right."' etc.). The last speech of one of the late east german leaders became a proverb here in Germany: "How can you do this [the revolution], I love you all!". Don't fall that trap and stop whining.

Let's go back to technical discussion such as verifiable measures to protect privacy.

inim

P.S. I am sorry you are subject to cyber attacks. If any of the attackers listens: please stop it, you are harming fibs.

Mookie · « **Reply #75 on:** June 03, 2005, 04:12:37 PM »

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look at what happened. You lost a democratic poll by a large margin.

Inim,

While I agree that there should be no personal attacks, let's remember that GAMM didn't "win" or "lose" a poll. He held this informal, nonscientific poll to get a sense of what people wanted. By doing so, if the poll accurately reflects people's sentiments, everyone WINS, including GAMM. The poll was supposed to serve the point of research. He didn't hold the poll because he wanted to get permission but to find out what people wanted, and that's VERY different and a VERY nice move on GAMM's part.

MOOKIE, who would like GAMM to create a bot who would vouch for him

FIBS Board backgammon forum · « **Reply #75 on:** June 03, 2005, 04:12:37 PM »

socksey · « **Reply #76 on:** June 03, 2005, 05:15:05 PM »

Well said by the Mookster!

I was going to add more, but thought better of it. No published archives, end of story.

But, wait!

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This is the complete list of adresses which may, at the time of this writing, be endpoints of the TOR network for access to www.fibsboard.com:80. Votes coming from one of those should be discarded.

Does this mean the poll may still be corrupt?

socksey

"I was nauseous and tingly all overÃ¢â‚¬Â¦I was either in love or I had smallpox." - Woody Allen

gammboy · « **Reply #77 on:** June 06, 2005, 07:26:23 PM »

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Let's go back to technical discussion such as verifiable measures to protect privacy.

Ya know what, Inim. I'm done with you. I'm eager to hear what you have to say on the subject of security or any other relevant topic, but your threats, demands, and temper tantrums will be ignored.

GB

(This post copyrighted Ã‚Â©2005 by gammboy. All rights reserved)

Zorba · « **Reply #78 on:** June 10, 2005, 10:01:33 PM »

You should all go read SirLuzalot's post again! :agree:

What's next, running memorecorders everytime you go to your local pub and confronting your friends and enemies with all they've said, the day after?

Forgetting and fading away can be very valuable I'd say. Besides, who gives a hoot about "old" shouts...

The rest of gammboy's project sounds very interesting though. I hope you'll put your efforts into that

kid_pantyhose · « **Reply #79 on:** July 28, 2005, 03:59:11 PM »

watchdog can suck my febrile bone--i dont want to have this stuff waved around later--its so "nyah nyah nyah"--dirty, smelly laundry--let sleeping dogs lie--i am a freedom seeker and so i will close by dropping my hose, mooning the watchdog, tossing it a nice, juicy, dbl-edged razor-stuffed steak, giving a final wiggle, a smile, and the finger...

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