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« on: March 24, 2004, 11:05:09 PM »
It's time to stir the RepBot pot again :)

 
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« Reply #1 on: March 25, 2004, 06:14:53 AM »
Also it should be pointed out that having a counter example doesn't make RepBot worthless. No one has ever claimed that a person's reputation is totally accurate, but it is a strong indicator, mainly of whether your opponent might be a known dropper. And of course who is (or isn't) deserving of a reputation is highly subjective.

As for the Biggles situation, the very fact that he's made so much effort to build up the reputation means that he actually cares what RepBot says, that is success!

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« Reply #2 on: March 25, 2004, 01:46:10 PM »
diane, you never know what is going on in private chat, do you?

 
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« Reply #3 on: March 25, 2004, 02:29:14 PM »
Doesn't matter when you made the vouch, the point is, the person has a good rep, and that is a good thing :)

The offensive private chat went on before and during the public stuff.

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« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2004, 10:14:06 PM »
Well a case in point is with freesam. He is a new user and is completely hopeless in front of a p.c. and has an internet connection that has cut more times than i can count !!

This is not all his fault and i still have to finish a three pointer after five times of trying. Unfortunatley it appears that three fibsters have complained gainst him, and i would suspect the resason being his internet connection cutting out.

I feel that rather than attempting to hold on and wait for the poor soul to  reconnect they may have taken the easy option and complained. This is unfortunate because the lad is trying to learn the game and has already got a reputation lower than a snakes belly through no genuine fault of his own doing.

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« Reply #5 on: April 08, 2004, 06:49:02 PM »
I love my fans........my fans love me...........

'nuff said.





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« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2004, 11:59:30 AM »
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Of course, we never see Biggles actually participating in forums about bg skill.


I'm no fan of Biggles but I have to say, that he has shown us some bg skill in few tourneys.
He won Masters invitational http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/tmaster.htm (very good players in that tourney) and also he is "Fridays 3" overall winner in one month.

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« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2004, 01:59:47 PM »
Biggles opponents in the Masters were 1700-1800 players with one high 1850-1950 player, so I don't think that contradicts an estimated 1750 rating as GNUBG gives him (so far).

1750 is certainly not a bad rating (about rank #600 of 6000+ players on FIBS), but it's a far cry from Biggles_two 2000+ top ten rating and even more so from Biggles 2200+ number two rating.

The difference is almost certainly due to what burper calls "bunny humping" and who knows what else. Nothing new there.

The reason Biggles is never seen participating in forums on bg skill is probably not so much that he wouldn't have anything useful to say about bg, but rather that people wouldn't accept him there, given his all time rating manipulation and offensive language.
 
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« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2004, 03:22:54 PM »
zorba, your personalized attack on biggles is a misuse of this board. I am in no way defending biggles himself but unless you have something constructive to say please don't use this place to rant against individuals. Just gag, blind and/or RepBot complaint those players who you think others should avoid and then move on.

Also, surely ratings don't really matter that much? If other people feel so big and important with huge ratings, then let them!

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« Reply #9 on: April 10, 2004, 03:28:21 PM »
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1750 is certainly not a bad rating (about rank #600 of 6000+ players on FIBS), but it's a far cry from Biggles_two 2000+ top ten rating and even more so from Biggles 2200+ number two rating.


I wasnt replying or making any comments about ratings in my previous post.

My point was, that rating is not so meaningful when playing in tourneys. My rating is around 1700 but I've done pretty good in some tourneys so far!
There is a lot of 1500 players who play really good too.

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« Reply #10 on: April 19, 2004, 10:49:13 PM »
Alef, I would appreciate it if you don't mess with me about subjects you just have different opinions on than me.

There is no "personalized attack" here. I am just describing this person's behaviour, something which happens on FIBSboard all the time.

All I do here is RESPOND to burpers misrepresentation of facts. As it happens, it was burper himself who brought up Biggles, not me. Note that I give ARGUMENTS and some FACTS too. It has nothing to do with Biggles personally, just his behaviour on FIBS in general, but also in tourneys. Alef, you are also discussing other people's behaviour regulary, so I wonder what your problem is and why you pick me to respond to. It seems rather subjective to me.

As a tourneybot operator, I think you would be interested in abuse like "xxxx uses a bot" during tourney play. At least other TDs seem to understand how that can be very annoying not to mention rude and unsportive.

Could other people here try to give a little more facts and less unsubstantiated opinions please?

As it is, I have been called "anti-american" already by burper (no alef response there..?) without any back up for that claim whatsoever. NIHILIST calls me "the biggest FIBS abuser" (again no alef response), also without any argumentation or quote.

Anyway, I suggest you quit mis-interpreting my posts here alef and react on what I actually write, rather than on what you (wrongly) think I am trying to do.

So, what part of what I wrote here about Biggles is not right according to you?
 
« Last Edit: April 19, 2004, 10:57:49 PM by Zorba »
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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2004, 11:03:01 PM »
About ratings: I'd say that as long as they are not being manipulated, they are a reliable method for determining one's backgammon skill.

Tournaments where only a few matches are played have a very high luck factor. A rating however, is based on very many matches.

Simulations done by Douglas Zare (and others) show ratings are mostly accurate to within +/- 100 points.
The fascist's feelings of insecurity run so deep that he desperately needs a classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the fascist's embracement of concepts like mental illness and IQ tests.  - R.J.V.

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« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2004, 11:03:01 PM »

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« Reply #12 on: April 19, 2004, 11:09:20 PM »
Zorba, you know I love you like a son.  
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« Reply #13 on: April 19, 2004, 11:40:41 PM »
LOL, that's okay burper, I know you like to stir the pot as much as I do so I didn't take that too seriously. It was more of an example of how I think someone is hunting one ant when there's a few lions around.
« Last Edit: April 20, 2004, 12:13:40 AM by Zorba »
The fascist's feelings of insecurity run so deep that he desperately needs a classification of some things as successful or superior and other things as failed or inferior. This also underlies the fascist's embracement of concepts like mental illness and IQ tests.  - R.J.V.

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« Reply #14 on: May 11, 2004, 03:17:35 PM »
First of all, I  :hart:  repbot!~!  Since I use 3D fibs, which automatically shows someones reputation, I have hardly been dropped. So, great job Burper  :yes:

BUT, today I experienced something that really made me angry, and I still am.
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Someone invited me and he had a very bad rep. So I replied I did not want to play him because of that. Then he complained about me at repbot  :fo:
He said he did that because I was not on FIBS to play. He also followed me everywhere and started stupid chats. I have gagged him now.
But, to get to the point, he is the first person who has complained and I did
not even play him! So, in that way, people can miss use (or abuse??) repbot. Not that my rep is bad now or anything, but it is odd.
Just wanted to say this.

And, I would not like to miss repbot, if he is not on-line, I really miss him   :mellow:
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2004, 04:09:18 PM »
It's all part of the plan hypnosa.
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« Reply #15 on: May 11, 2004, 04:09:18 PM »

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« Reply #16 on: May 11, 2004, 06:44:51 PM »
Thats first complaint always bites dont it!! :D

But, trust me, they get easier.  If you do refuse to play droppers etc - and complain - odds are they will complain / complain back - and many times if they have more than one nick!! ;)

As i said earlier - and burper restated - the important thing is to make a judgements about who made the complaint - if it is someone you know and trust - then ask questions - if you know it is an idiot, and they have vouches from people you trust - take no notice!!  

That is where 3D does fall down a little - there is no breakdown of the information, so when i used it - if a rep came up negative - i would go and find out why (assuming they didnt have 500 saved games :D )


I checked who it was (and added a complaint  :) ) and noticed i have never vouched you Hypnosa !! :(   ( I have corrected that error now )

That is the most annoying thing - i really do need reminders!!!
 
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« Reply #17 on: May 11, 2004, 09:08:36 PM »
Hmm, after I read your post Diane, I went to check who were those who vouched me and straightened up the things.  :stupid2:   Sorry for the delay my friends!!
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« Reply #18 on: May 19, 2004, 03:27:58 PM »
If this post weren't so pathetic, it'd be hysterical.....

MND (IP address - h19n2c2o1026.bredband.skanova.com)

The exact same IP address that Patti has been nuking over and over and over......wasn't HITMAN your last failed attempt at dropping to yourself and cheating?   Aren't you tired of being caught, and then lashing out at others?

Your word isn't worth the can of whipped cream I used with Shuggie's sister....

BTW, about 20 of my complaints are from the same guy (ole_salt) who created multiple nicks with 0 experience to try and smear me.  Alas, they also don't add up to much, obviously.

Have a nice day MND (aka HITMAN, sue, crusher, etc. etc. etc. etc)

May you finally keep a non cheating nick on FIBS for awhile so you can post here.

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« Reply #19 on: May 19, 2004, 03:32:32 PM »
sue and crusher have optonline addresses.
HITMAN's account has been taken over by Patti, apparently.

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