Here is a discussion from fibs and I need your opinion on it or better ..... great ideas ;-)
Tomawaky: wich one ?
Mort: the only one l sent you
Mort: sent it yesterday
Mort: at tomawky gmail address
Tomawaky: if not answered ther a chance a did not received
Mort: you haven't looked yet?
Mort: it's regarding forfeits
Tomawaky: oh it's in my spam
Mort: would 'fibs' in the subject line avoided that?
Tomawaky: normally not !
Tomawaky: I do not understand why it got there
Mort: let me know if you have any questions after reading it
Mort: or comments
Tomawaky: can you resume simple please
Tomawaky: then I will read
Tomawaky: how many forfeit do you ask .?
Mort: from 5 players
Mort: it's all in the email
Tomawaky: I think it would not possible
Tomawaky: but I need to think about what must I do for the incomplete matches
Mort: you need to read the email first
Tomawaky: yes but even if you were online on the 28 there is no reason I give you for this forfeit !
Mort: and your reason for NOT?
Tomawaky: They were maybe often connecte in january and not you
Tomawaky: I can consider only end of vebruary
Tomawaky: I can't consider only end of vebruary
Mort: then you open yourself to all kinds of discussion and interpretation
Mort: which you have done already by not having clear cut rules
Tomawaky: but the win can be give to the last players onnected
Tomawaky: but the win can be give to the last players connected
Mort: that should be considered
Tomawaky: certainly not
Mort: l said considered, not written in stone
Tomawaky: What is most possible is to give points to all match that have more than 5 one side
Tomawaky: 5 win
Mort: you have set yourself up for a lot of problems
Mort: that's not even the beginning
Mort: there's lot's of matches that don't have a 5pt win
Tomawaky: I tried to make it and maybe do some error
Tomawaky: this is our first try
Tomawaky: then I will consider to go on or not
Tomawaky: the rule is clear
Tomawaky: only finished match will count
Mort: the rule is NOT clear
Tomawaky: so I can stop the result now
Tomawaky: butit is not satisfied myself
Mort: according to your 'rule', there can be manipulation by not playing matches
Tomawaky: what is sure is that if it make me too much work and too much probelm I will give up
Mort: seems that's where it's headed
Tomawaky: and I don't see many try to make planing match by email
Mort: write it in your rules
Tomawaky: too much people don't care
Mort: l don't visit fibsboard at all
Tomawaky: So I can also delete all team with not enough matches played
Mort: you need to post such things on your website
Tomawaky: This was A first try and I will post our discusion at fibsboard
Tomawaky: then I wait opinion from all and for the moment I can see a clear rule to be applied
Tomawaky: are you agree that I post this discussion to FibsBoard
Mort: indeed. there will be discussions
Mort: mainly because rules need to be very clear from the start
Tomawaky: sure but give me rules taht I can write down
Tomawaky: and what is most important for me is that it must be the most automatic as it can
Mort: you'll probably see workable solutions in your posts
Mort: yes, simple and to the point
Tomawaky: Automatic where TD do not have to take decision but just folow the rules.
Tomawaky: For the moment I can't see any any complete solution
Mort: but rules need to be as foolproff as can be
Tomawaky: and when I said automatic it's also for posting, confirming and make the ranking automatic etc ..
Mort: you'll still need to make rulings on this session
Tomawaky: I have no time to argue for each complain and believe me with clear rules as there is at the Lindividual league. I have already some to do.
Tomawaky: even more than some, sometimes ;-)
Mort: seems you'll have to decide something soon though. as we still do have playoffs to do
Tomawaky: I can do it for individual but make it twice will be difficult and I prefer to stop than doing 2 tourneys which are not perfect
Tomawaky: I will post this and I need some help and good imagination
Tomawaky: for me the actual ranking is one we can take
Mort: l don't call that fair at all
Tomawaky: I would prefer to add all of the match where 5 pts for a sidehave been earned
Tomawaky: doing much is difficult
Tomawaky: I can't forec players to lpay their games
Mort: why should our team lose by manipulation by other teams?
Tomawaky: I am not here for tahat
Tomawaky: I am not here for that
Mort: no you can't, that's why you need more strict rules
Tomawaky: your're right but manipulation will always be possible except if we cosider to play all the matches for all
Mort: get suggestions on making it 'manipulation' proff
Tomawaky: I post this to fibsboard expecting some good ideas
Mort: and it's probably noe possible to have all matches played
Tomawaky: All is possible, what we need as you said is rules to define this