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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #20 on:
November 11, 2007, 10:26:25 AM »
I coulda been a contender.
Terry Mallory in the movie "On the Waterfront" (1954)
played by Marlon Brando (1924-2004)
Academy Award-winning American actor
Another Contender Bites the Dust
jimbok
on
Ottoman's Empire
defeats
samirah
on
Gammonizers
.. the loss eliminates
Gammonizers
from contention for the win .. even a sweep of all their ten remaining matches can yield no more than a tie for first with
Club Voodoo
.. this did not occur even once in the recent simulation of over 12,000 seasons .. further, even if it had,
Gammonizers
lost their match against
Club Voodoo
.. thus, once again, the tie break decision would go to
Club Voodoo
five teams remain in contention for over taking
Club Voodoo
.. defending champion
Cube Sluts
with four remaining matches, all for team points, is the closest to taking the lead but is also the closest to elimination with any loss ..
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
, the first team to break away with a lead as the pack entered the clubhouse turn, also has four must win team point matches remaining,
schigstogsedat
has five
two teams have a little more flexibility in that they can lose one of their remaining team point matches, but not more than one ..
Gno Mo Soup
has seven team point matches remaining,
Lipstick & Testosterone
eight .. should either of these teams sweep their 46 team point total would surpass that of the three other contenders
Club Voodoo
remains the big favorite, according to the simulation results below .. with
factotum
's win yesterday over
DeaDice
, the lipstick and testosterone accelerant of
L& T
,
Club Voodoo
became the first team to finish all team league matches and remain the team with the highest wining percentage at 35/54 (65%) - yet another kuddo for
factotum
,
scuba
, and
gumpi
MB/mr
introduced in the last post,
MB/mr
(matches behind/matches remaining) provides a quick way to see how many team point matches must be won in order for a contending team to catch or pass the leader .. i've now automated the
MB/mr
calculation and it seems to be working .. boldfaced pairs indicate a team is still in contention .. italicized pairs are displayed for teams out of contention for first place
for pride matches back in the pack,
MB/mr
is also useful .. for example, there is a tight race for finishing in the top ten in this field of 19 teams where five teams are clustered at about 8 "back" ..
mr
becomes the more important metric in this contest and provides at a glance how many matches remaining each team has to play
The Race Enters the Stretch Run
with 85.6% of the season completed and 439 matches played, the results of a simulation of over 12,000 iterations or seasons is below
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
1.4
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ 42
35
/ 35
---
75.6%
1:3
3.8
2.4
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
32
/ 44
29
/ 35
4/4
9.5%
9:1
4.0
2.6
Cube Sluts
32
/ 44
28
/ 32
4/4
10.6%
8:1
6.2
4.8
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
6.6
5.2
Virtual Addicts
33
/ 42
25
/ 33
3/3
-
-
6.8
5.4
schigstogsedat
29
/ 44
21
/ 33
5/5
2.1%
46:1
7.6
6.2
Gammonizers
24
/ 42
25
/ 35
6/6
-
-
8.5
7.1
Gno Mo Soup
25
/ 46
22
/ 38
6/7
0.9%
110:1
8.8
7.4
white punks on dope
38
/ 38
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
9.4
8.0
Last Minute
24
/ 42
24
/ 34
6/6
-
-
9.6
8.2
Ottoman's Empire
28
/ 40
24
/ 31
5/4
-
-
10.1
8.7
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 31
5/3
-
-
10.1
8.7
Lipstick & Testosterone
22
/ 46
20
/ 34
7/8
1.2%
82:1
10.1
8.7
UN Trio
34
/ 40
25
/ 30
3/2
-
-
15.6
14.2
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 25
5/2
-
-
15.8
14.4
Last Orders
24
/ 36
18
/ 27
6/4
-
-
16.9
15.5
MOJO
21
/ 36
17
/ 28
7/5
-
-
17.3
15.9
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
19.0
17.6
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
11
/ 19
8/2
-
-
Yesterday's Results:
factotum (Club Voodoo) def. DeaDice (Lipstick & Testosterone)
wordman (Lipstick & Testosterone) def. souptree (Gno Mo Soup)
* jimbok (Ottoman's Empire) def. samirah (Gammonizers)
--- posted, not confirmed
jimbok (Ottoman's Empire) def. padski (Last Orders)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #20 on:
November 11, 2007, 10:26:25 AM »
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #21 on:
November 11, 2007, 10:26:18 PM »
"Sometimes opportunity knocks, but most of the time
it sneaks up and then quietly steals away."
Doug Larson (1902-1981)
English racer
Knock, knock .. Who's There?
three .. three who?
Cube Sluts
are three away, that's who!
Backwoods
finishes his team league matches with a critical win over
kristoffer
of
Virtual Addicts
.. all the remaining Cube Sluts matches are now awaiting
donzaemon
's return from Las Vegas where we hear he's still playing in Sunday's matches
Virtual Addicts
teammate
Tomawaky
defeated
wordman
forcing
Lipstick & Testosterone
to sweep all its remaining seven team point matches to have a shot at a winning season
with 86.2% of the season completed and 442 matches played as of 2:10 PM CST, the results of a simulation of 7,000 iterations or seasons are below .. 71 matches remain to be played to finish the season with 100% participation by all teams
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
1.5
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ 42
35
/ 35
---
68.2%
1:2
3.1
1.6
Cube Sluts
35
/ 44
29
/ 32
3/3
19.2%
4:1
3.9
2.4
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
32
/ 44
29
/ 35
4/4
9.3%
10:1
6.2
4.7
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
6.3
4.8
Virtual Addicts
37
/ 40
26
/ 32
2/1
-
-
7.0
5.5
schigstogsedat
29
/ 44
21
/ 33
5/5
2.1%
46:1
7.7
6.2
Gammonizers
24
/ 42
25
/ 35
6/6
-
-
8.4
6.9
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
8.6
7.1
Gno Mo Soup
25
/ 46
22
/ 38
6/7
1.0%
103:1
9.0
7.5
white punks on dope
38
/ 38
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
9.7
8.2
Ottoman's Empire
28
/ 40
24
/ 31
5/4
-
-
10.2
8.7
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 31
5/3
-
-
10.2
8.7
UN Trio
34
/ 40
25
/ 30
3/2
-
-
11.6
10.1
Lipstick & Testosterone
23
/ 44
20
/ 33
7/7
0.2%
635:1
15.5
14.0
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 25
5/2
-
-
15.7
14.2
Last Orders
24
/ 36
18
/ 27
6/4
-
-
17.2
15.7
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
17.2
15.7
MOJO
22
/ 34
17
/ 27
7/4
-
-
19.0
17.5
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
11
/ 19
8/2
-
-
Sunday Afternoon Results:
* cis (Last Minute) def. manxcat (MOJO)
* Backwoods (Cube Sluts) def. kristoffer (Virtual Addicts)
* Tomawaky (Virtual Addicts) def. wordman (Lipstick & Testosterone)
--- earlier matches confirmed
jimbok (Ottoman's Empire) def. padski (Last Orders)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #22 on:
November 13, 2007, 01:13:19 AM »
If you want to win, punch the best player
on the other team when nobody is looking
-Tadpole
Two Down, Two to Go!
donzaemon
says he didn't win in Vegas after all, but he's back with a vengeance on Veterans Day defeating
Schigolch
in a 9-8 match critical to both contending teams .. with the win,
donzaemon
is now two wins away from single-handedly passing
Club Voodoo
and threatening an unprecedented four-peat for the
Cube Sluts
.. their destiny is in his hands, as teammates
Backwoods
and
diane
have finished all their matches .. the loss eliminated
schigstogsedat
from contention for a win
in an earlier match,
Gammonizers'
michaelsw
beat
DeaDice
eliminating
Lipstick & Testosterone
from contention .. this leaves only two remaining teams in contention for a win,
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
in third, according to the simulation results, and
Gno Mo Soup
, well back and still at long odds
with 86.9% of the season completed and 446 matches played, the results of a season simulation of 3,000 iterations or seasons are below
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
1.7
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ 42
35
/ 35
---
54.9%
1:1
2.5
0.8
Cube Sluts
38
/ 44
30
/ 32
2/2
33.8%
2:1
4.0
2.3
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
32
/ 44
29
/ 35
4/4
10.7%
8:1
5.8
4.1
Virtual Addicts
37
/ 40
28
/ 32
2/1
-
-
6.4
4.7
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
6.9
5.2
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 35
5/5
-
-
8.4
6.7
schigstogsedat
30
/ 42
21
/ 32
4/4
-
-
8.5
6.8
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
8.7
7.0
Gno Mo Soup
25
/ 46
22
/ 38
6/7
0.7%
143:1
9.4
7.7
white punks on dope
38
/ 38
28
/ 29
2/0
-
-
9.8
8.1
Ottoman's Empire
28
/ 40
24
/ 31
5/4
-
-
10.1
8.4
UN Trio
34
/ 40
25
/ 30
3/2
-
-
10.2
8.5
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 31
5/3
-
-
12.2
10.5
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
20
/ 32
6/6
-
-
15.5
13.8
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 25
5/2
-
-
15.7
14.0
Last Orders
24
/ 36
18
/ 27
6/4
-
-
17.2
15.5
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
17.3
15.6
MOJO
22
/ 34
17
/ 26
7/4
-
-
19.0
17.3
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
11
/ 19
8/2
-
-
Afternoon Matches:
kristoffer (Virtual Addicts) def. johnwayne (MOJO)
kristoffer (Virtual Addicts) def. sarah (white punks on dope)
* michaelsw (Gammonizers) def. DeaDice (Lipstick & Testosterone)
--- Posted, not confirmed
* donzaemon (Cube Sluts) def. Schigolch (schigstogsedat)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #23 on:
November 14, 2007, 04:58:17 PM »
“Sex alleviates tension. Love causes it.”
Woody Allen (1935- )
three-time Academy Award-winning American film director, writer, actor,
jazz musician, comedian, and playwright
Tension Mounts
Pernot_Ricard
defeats fellow contender
gnomysTwo
in a must win match for
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
.. with the loss,
Gno Mo Soup
now must also win out in team point matches to remain in contention ..
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
is now three match points away from pulling off a championship ..
Cube Sluts
needs two more to contend .. a team point loss by either will eliminate them from contention .. meanwhile
Club Voodoo
sits ready to celebrate should either stumble
gnomysTwo
, idle for some time, played two other matches .. winning a team point match against
Gusssss
of
UN Trio
and losing against
Ramses
of
Last, But Not Least
.. team points had already been decided in the latter match ..
Gno Mo Soup
must now win five of their five remaining team point matches to have a shot at the win
with 88.3% of season completed and 453 matches played, results of a 6,000 iteration or season simulation are below .. remember, the order of the teams in the simulation assumes all players on all teams play all remaining matches .. actual order of finish will depend on actual matches completed .. as the season comes to a close the standings page at the Team League home page
www.souptree.net/fibs_league
will become a more accurate reflection of actal order of finish
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
1.7
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ --
35
/ --
---
54.6%
1:1
2.5
0.8
Cube Sluts
38
/ 44
30
/ 32
2/2
33.6%
2:1
3.5
1.8
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
35
/ 44
30
/ 35
3/3
11.3%
8:1
6.3
4.6
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
6.4
4.7
schigstogsedat
33
/ 42
23
/ 32
3/3
-
-
6.9
5.2
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 35
5/5
-
-
7.5
5.8
Virtual Addicts
38
/ --
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
8.1
6.4
Gno Mo Soup
29
/ 44
23
/ 36
5/5
0.5%
181:1
8.4
6.7
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
9.7
8.0
Ottoman's Empire
28
/ 40
24
/ 31
5/4
-
-
9.8
8.1
white punks on dope
38
/ --
28
/ --
2/0
-
-
10.1
8.4
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 31
5/3
-
-
11.5
9.8
UN Trio
35
/ 38
25
/ 28
3/1
-
-
12.3
10.6
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
20
/ 32
6/6
-
-
15.5
13.8
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 25
5/2
-
-
15.6
13.9
Last Orders
24
/ 36
19
/ 27
6/4
-
-
17.2
15.5
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
17.3
15.6
MOJO
22
/ 34
17
/ 26
7/4
-
-
19.0
17.3
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
13
/ 19
8/2
-
-
Yesterday's Matches:
* Pernot_Ricard (TakeTheMoneyAndRun) def. gnomysTwo (Gno Mo Soup)
Ramses (Last, But Not Least) def. gnomysTwo (Gno Mo Soup)
Ramses (Last, But Not Least) def. Gusssss (UN Trio)
* gnomysTwo (Gno Mo Soup) def. Gusssss (UN Trio)
* sedat (schigstogsedat) def. kristoffer (Virtual Addicts)
padski (Last Orders) def. kristoffer (Virtual Addicts)
kristoffer (Virtual Addicts) def. sarah (white punks on dope)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #24 on:
November 15, 2007, 04:45:25 PM »
"Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity."
Anonymous
Tension Holds
there were only three matches played yesterday between five teams out of contention for first place .. every match is important, but these had no impact on the race for first .. so, there was not much change in the leader board other than in the race to see which teams can make it into the top ten
just before posting this morning,
gnowysTwo
of
Gno Mo Soup
defeated
MOJO
's
manxcat
, but team points had already been decided
What If
there is no playoff this season, but it was discussed and may be added to the rules for next season .. one playoff format discussed was simply creating a playoff between the top four teams at the end of the season .. the winner of that playoff would then be declared the winner of the season .. the exact nature of the playoff was never announced, but would likely follow the same Team Point approach as the regular season .. regardless, what if there were a playoff? what would the chances of making a playoff look like for teams this season?
the table below includes the playoff columns again .. these have been corrected and adjusted based on
boomslang'
s comments in an earier post .. to my surprise,
white punks on dope
, near the top of the leader board since day one, did not make the playoffs in any of the simulation runs .. sixth place was their highest finish in any of the 9,000 plus seasons .. remember, the model assumes all teams complete all matches .. 42 match points was the minimum required for a fourth place finish in this simulation run
the playoff columns below assume a team makes the playoffs when it finishes in the top 4 positions
Simulation Results
with 89.1% of the season completed and 457 matches played, the results of a simulation of 9,000 iterations or seasons is below
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
% to Playoffs
Odds to Playoffs
1.7
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ --
35
/ --
---
55.0%
1:1
100.0%
---
2.5
0.8
Cube Sluts
38
/ 44
30
/ 32
2/2
33.3%
2:1
94.8%
1:18
3.5
1.8
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
35
/ 44
30
/ 35
3/3
11.0%
8:1
79.8%
1:4
6.3
4.6
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
33.5%
2:1
6.4
4.7
schigstogsedat
33
/ 42
23
/ 32
3/3
-
-
29.0%
2:1
6.8
5.1
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 35
5/5
-
-
32.8%
2:1
7.5
5.8
Virtual Addicts
38
/ --
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
0.3%
287:1
8.0
6.3
Gno Mo Soup
29
/ 44
24
/ 36
5/5
0.7%
150:1
20.2%
4:1
8.4
6.7
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
17.3%
5:1
9.0
7.3
Ottoman's Empire
31
/ 40
25
/ 31
4/3
-
-
7.8%
12:1
10.0
8.3
white punks on dope
38
/ --
28
/ --
2/0
-
-
-
-
10.7
9.0
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 30
5/3
-
-
-
-
11.5
9.8
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
22
/ 32
6/6
-
-
3.4%
28:1
11.7
10.0
UN Trio
35
/ 38
25
/ 28
3/1
-
-
-
-
15.5
13.8
Last Orders
24
/ 36
19
/ 27
6/4
-
-
-
-
15.7
14.0
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 24
5/2
-
-
-
-
17.1
15.4
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
-
-
17.5
15.8
MOJO
23
/ 32
17
/ 24
7/3
-
-
-
-
19.0
17.3
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
13
/ 19
8/2
-
-
-
-
Yesterday's Results:
DeaDice (Lipstick & Testsosterone) def. bardancer (Smack, Slap, and Spank)
vegasvic (Lipstick & Testsosterone) def. houtx (three.DOG.night)
* Otto (Ottoman's Empire) def. manxcat (MOJO)
Morning Match:
gnowysTwo (Gno Mo Soup) def. manxcat (MOJO)
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November 15, 2007, 09:14:53 PM »
All lovely things must have an ending
All lovely things must fade and die
And Youth, that's now so bravely spending
Must beg a penny by and by
— From "All Lovely Things"
Conrad Aiken (1889–1973)
Pulitzer Prize-winning American author and poet
End of an Era
with 14 other fibsters watching,
blotsalot
defeated
donzaemon
with an overwhelming gammon after a re-double accepted by
donz
.. with a hard to beat 8-0 lead,
blotsalot
went on to win in the Crawford game putting an end to the
Cube Sluts
remarkable attempt at four consecutive championships
nonetheless, a finish in the top four for the
Cube Sluts
is almost assured .. so, hat's off for an excellent defense of last season's title .. the gradual attrition of team after team needing consecutive wins of all remaining matches to contend this season illustrates the statistical rarity of winning three in a row anytime of almost anything .. winning three TL championships in a row is a record likely to stand for some time .. no simulation model is needed to make that statement
only two teams now remain in the running to overtake
Club Voodoo
..
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
must win three of three remaining team point matches ..
GNo Mo Soup
must win five of five
remember, the playoff calculations, re-introduced in the last post, are just hypothetical .. there will be no playoffs this season .. the calculations are included here just for the curious
with 89.3% of season completed and 458 matches played, results of a simulation of 7,000 iterations or seasons is below
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
% to Playoffs
Odds to Playoffs
1.1
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ --
35
/ --
---
87.9%
1:7
100.0%
---
3.1
2.0
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
35
/ 44
30
/ 35
3/3
11.4%
8:1
82.2%
1:5
3.2
2.1
Cube Sluts
39
/ 42
30
/ 31
1/1
-
-
86.3%
1:6
6.2
5.1
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
33.3%
2:1
6.3
5.2
schigstogsedat
33
/ 42
23
/ 32
3/3
-
-
30.1%
2:1
6.6
5.5
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 35
5/5
-
-
34.3%
2:1
7.4
6.3
Virtual Addicts
38
/ --
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
0.3%
356:1
7.8
6.7
Gno Mo Soup
29
/ 44
24
/ 36
5/5
0.7%
139:1
23.5%
3:1
8.2
7.1
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
20.4%
4:1
8.8
7.7
Ottoman's Empire
31
/ 40
25
/ 31
4/3
-
-
8.8%
10:1
9.9
8.8
white punks on dope
38
/ --
28
/ --
2/0
-
-
-
-
10.5
9.4
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 30
5/3
-
-
0.0%
3566:1
11.5
10.4
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
22
/ 32
6/6
-
-
3.7%
26:1
11.6
10.5
UN Trio
35
/ 38
25
/ 28
3/1
-
-
-
-
15.0
13.9
Last Orders
27
/ 36
20
/ 27
5/3
-
-
-
-
15.8
14.7
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 24
5/2
-
-
-
-
17.1
16.0
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
-
-
17.5
16.4
MOJO
23
/ 32
17
/ 24
7/3
-
-
-
-
19.0
17.9
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
13
/ 19
8/2
-
-
-
-
Morning Results:
blotsalot (Last Orders) def. donzaemon (Cube Sluts)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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"probability [is] a measurable degree of certainty; necessity and chance;
moral versus mathematical expectation; a priori an a posteriori probability;
expectation of winning when players are divided according to dexterity"
from
The Art of Conjecture
(1713)
Jacob Bernoulli (1654–1705)
Swiss mathematician
One Is a Lonely Number
only one match played since yesterday's demise of the
Cube Sluts
..
sedat
defeated
Gammonizers'
samirah
moving
schigstogsedat
into fourth place according to the simulation .. if we were having playoffs, it would still be an exciting race for that fourth place position
Law of Large Numbers
the total number of iterations for this simulation run was more than 32,000, the largest yet recorded .. unintentionally, i walked away from the computer as it continued to grind away .. comparing these results with the previous simulation run is an interesting exercise that demonstrates an important historical theorem in probability, the Law of Large Numbers .. theoretically, the more samples in a data set, the more likely the observed or measured probability is to converge on the actual probability
so, how many iterations in a simulation run is enough? the answer depends on the observation one is attempting to measure .. for these runs, i've used a very casual approach .. iterations have previously ranged from 3,000 to 14,000 or more .. i've chosen an end point in the past based on visual observation of when key values have reached a reasonable point of stability .. the current run of 32,000 was simply based on how long i was away from the computer .. is it more or less accurate than the previous run of 7,000 iterations?
the law of large numbers, first defined by Jacob Bernoulli one of the first mathematicians to seriously investigate games of chance, says that this run is more accurate .. why then did the odds for
Gno Mo Soup
decline from 139:1 (a 0.07% chance of winning) to 182:1 (a 0.05% chance of winning)? surely, the one match between two non-contending teams,
Gammonizers
and
schigstogsedat
, had nothing to do with it .. frankly, i'm surprised at the difference, but can't give you an exact reason for it
according to Bernoulli, the law of large numbers and the fallacy of small numbers says that the result over 32,000 iterations is closer to the theoretical probability or is more accurate than the results of the 7,000 iteration simulations .. if anything useful can be taken away from this numerical diversion into the history of probability, it is that the 51 wins observed in over 7,000 iterations in the last post is simply a smaller sample than the 175 wins observed in the 32,000 plus iterations of this one .. therefore, according to the law of large numbers the result of this run is more reliable for
Gno Mo Soup
's odds to win
regardless, only a few serious mathematicians or statisticians among us would care .. for the purpose of "seeing" the standings in a different and perhaps more meaningful way, i think the simulation results have reached a point of stability and consistency that meet all but the most serious purists satisfaction .. if you're one of the later, please get in touch with me and i'll happily let you sniff around within the innards of the model all you like .. if not, i hope you've found the simulations as interesting to read and use as i have
(after posting this,
Mort
of
Gno Mo Soup
pointed out that technically
Gno Mo Soup
can lose one of it's remaining 5 team point matches and still win the TL season .. he may be right .. if
Gno Mo Soup
can tie
Club Voodoo
with 42 team points and 35 match points, theoretically possible,
Gno Mo Soup
would win the tiebreaking decision since they beat
Club Voodoo
in their heads-up match .. while this is apparently true, the model would have given both
Club Voodoo
and
Gno Mo Soup
credit for wins in those seasons .. thus, despite the fact that the model does not (at present) use the heads-up match level of tiebreak decision making, i think the overall results are still valid .. regardless, i've manually updated the Mb/mr value for
Gno Mo Soup
to reflect this unusual situation - thanks for the heads up,
Mort
.. i'll look at fixing the model later .. but to achieve such a tiebreak situation,
Gno Mo Soup
would have to lose no more than one of its 12 remaining matches .. frankly, winning 5 of 5 remaining team point matches may be easier .. at least now we know who another purist is)
with 89.5% of season completed and 459 matches played, the results of a 32,000 iteration simulation are below
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
% to Playoffs
Odds to Playoffs
1.1
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ --
35
/ --
---
87.7%
1:7
100.0%
---
3.1
2.0
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
35
/ 44
30
/ 35
3/3
11.8%
8:1
81.7%
1:4
3.2
2.1
Cube Sluts
39
/ 42
30
/ 31
1/1
-
-
86.3%
1:6
5.2
4.1
schigstogsedat
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
45.3%
1:1
6.2
5.1
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
32.5%
2:1
7.4
6.3
Virtual Addicts
38
/ --
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
0.3%
287:1
7.7
6.6
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 34
5/5
-
-
23.8%
3:1
7.8
6.7
Gno Mo Soup
29
/ 44
24
/ 36
4/5
0.5%
182:1
21.9%
4:1
8.2
7.1
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
20.0%
4:1
8.8
7.7
Ottoman's Empire
31
/ 40
25
/ 31
4/3
-
-
8.3%
11:1
9.9
8.8
white punks on dope
38
/ --
28
/ --
2/0
-
-
-
-
10.5
9.4
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 30
5/3
-
-
0.0%
4568:1
11.5
10.4
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
22
/ 32
6/6
-
-
3.5%
28:1
11.5
10.4
UN Trio
35
/ 38
25
/ 28
3/1
-
-
-
-
15.0
13.9
Last Orders
27
/ 36
20
/ 27
5/3
-
-
-
-
15.8
14.7
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 24
5/2
-
-
-
-
17.1
16.0
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
-
-
17.5
16.4
MOJO
23
/ 32
17
/ 24
7/3
-
-
-
-
19.0
17.9
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
13
/ 19
8/2
-
-
-
-
Yesterday's Results:
sedat (schigstogsedat) def. samirah (Gammonizers)
Morning Results (not included):
gaspar (No Nuts A**hole) def. Ramses (Last, But Not Least)
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Re: Team League Predictions
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Reply #27 on:
November 17, 2007, 04:12:58 PM »
The road to wisdom?
Well its plain and simple to express:
Err and err and err again,
but less and less and less.
Piet Hein (1905-1996)
Danish scientist, mathematician, inventor, author, and poet
Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow
TL is creeping at a "petty pace" while these posts "full of sound and fury, signifying nothing" continue to document another day with one TL match played ..
gaspar
on
No Nuts A**hole
defeated
Ramses
on
Last, But Not Least
.. team points had already been decided, but the win pushes
No Nuts A**hole
back into fourth place, according to the simulation results .. maybe tomorrow there will be news to report .. until then news from the innards of the model continues to make headlines
Whoops
while trying to fix the MB/mr calculation to accommodate the situation
Mort
pointed out yesterday, i found a little bug in the way team points were used in determining the winner .. wins against
white punks on dope
were reported correctly, but not being used in the actual win calculation .. it was a minor problem with little impact in current rankings and estimates .. the most significant change seems to be the improved odds for my team
Smack, Slap, and Spank
to make the hypothetical playoffs
Bill Gates once said, "There are no significant bugs in our released software that any significant number of users want fixed" .. thanks to
Mort
pointing out a subtle glitch in the way MB/mr is calculated, i found the other bug in a different area of the program demanding immediate attention .. so it goes in the life cycle of any software design ..
Gno Mo Soup
's odds to win calculation decreased moderately again .. whether this had to do with the law of large numbers or the omnipresence of bugs in computer programs, i have no clue ..
the fix for MB/mr is still too subtle for repair this morning .. so, the model still reports MB/mr of 5/5 for
Gno Mo Soup
when in fact it is 4/5 .. it is manually corrected below .. all others are correct
with 89.7% of the season completed and 460 matches played, the results of a simulation of 24,000 iterations or seasons are below .. playoff calculations are included for curiosity value only .. no playoffs will be held this season .. playoffs remain under consideration for next season .. the playoff structure asssumed below is for the top four teams
Order
Back
Team Name
TP/Max
MP/Max
MB/mr
% to Win
Odds
% to Playoffs
Odds to Playoffs
1.1
---
Club Voodoo
42
/ --
35
/ --
---
87.8%
1:7
100.0%
---
3.0
1.9
TakeTheMoneyAndRun
35
/ 44
30
/ 35
3/3
11.6%
8:1
83.6%
1:5
3.2
2.1
Cube Sluts
39
/ 42
30
/ 31
1/1
-
-
86.9%
1:7
5.8
4.7
No Nuts A**hole
33
/ 42
25
/ 32
3/3
-
-
39.5%
2:1
6.2
5.1
schigstogsedat
33
/ 42
24
/ 32
3/3
-
-
31.6%
2:1
7.5
6.4
Virtual Addicts
38
/ --
28
/ 30
2/0
-
-
0.2%
457:1
7.6
6.5
Gammonizers
27
/ 42
26
/ 34
5/5
-
-
24.3%
3:1
8.0
6.9
Gno Mo Soup
29
/ 44
24
/ 36
4/5
0.5%
197:1
21.0%
4:1
8.4
7.3
Last Minute
27
/ 42
25
/ 34
5/5
-
-
19.4%
4:1
9.0
7.9
Ottoman's Empire
31
/ 40
25
/ 31
4/3
-
-
8.0%
12:1
9.2
8.1
white punks on dope
38
/ --
28
/ --
2/0
-
-
-
-
9.9
8.8
Smack Slap and Spank
29
/ 38
26
/ 30
5/3
-
-
0.2%
457:1
11.0
9.9
Lipstick & Testosterone
24
/ 42
22
/ 32
6/6
-
-
6.0%
16:1
11.9
10.8
UN Trio
35
/ 38
25
/ 28
3/1
-
-
-
-
15.2
14.1
Last Orders
27
/ 36
20
/ 27
5/3
-
-
-
-
15.9
14.8
three.DOG.night
28
/ 34
18
/ 24
5/2
-
-
-
-
17.0
15.9
two dicks and a chick
26
/ 32
19
/ 25
6/2
-
-
-
-
17.6
16.5
MOJO
23
/ 32
17
/ 24
7/3
-
-
-
-
19.0
17.9
Last But Not Least
20
/ 26
13
/ 18
8/2
-
-
-
-
Yesterday's Results:
gaspar (No Nuts A**hole) def. Ramses (Last, But Not Least)
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