Poll
Question: 
rollingfool (RED), behind 0-1 in a 3 point match, throws the cube early in game 2. Rate the decision to cube and the correct response by me (WHITE)?
rollingfool (RED), behind 0-1 in a 3 point match, throws the cube early in game 2. Rate the decision to cube and the correct response by me (WHITE)?
Option 1: Foolish, Take
Option 2: Weird, Take
Option 3: Weird, Pass
Option 4: Cunning, Take
Option 5: Cunning, Pass
Title: Cube 102 - Foolish?
Post by: sixty_something on January 25, 2008, 09:27:39 PM
Post by: sixty_something on January 25, 2008, 09:27:39 PM
in round 1 of a Bago tourney, rollingfool (RED) is trailing 0-1 .. on his second turn, he throws the cube drawing immediate comments from me and chuckles from vegas_vic and teyakis who were watching
You kibitz: that musta been a "feels good" cube
rollingfool kibitzes: it was a go #### yourslef cube
vegas_vic kibitzes: lol
vegas_vic kibitzes: damn fool you suck
You kibitz: lol
teyakis kibitzes: lol
rollingfool kibitzes: yeh
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Position ID: 4HPkASGYc8wBMA Match ID: MBlgAAAACAAA
America is a large friendly dog in a small room. Every time it wags its tail it knocks over a chair.
-- Arnold Toynbee English historian & historical philosopher (1889 - 1975)
You kibitz: that musta been a "feels good" cube
rollingfool kibitzes: it was a go #### yourslef cube
vegas_vic kibitzes: lol
vegas_vic kibitzes: damn fool you suck
You kibitz: lol
teyakis kibitzes: lol
rollingfool kibitzes: yeh
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Position ID: 4HPkASGYc8wBMA Match ID: MBlgAAAACAAA
America is a large friendly dog in a small room. Every time it wags its tail it knocks over a chair.
-- Arnold Toynbee English historian & historical philosopher (1889 - 1975)
Title: Re: Cube 102
Post by: Tomawaky on January 26, 2008, 11:09:52 AM
Post by: Tomawaky on January 26, 2008, 11:09:52 AM
Is it white or red to toka or frop the cube ?
Title: Re: Cube 102
Post by: sixty_something on January 26, 2008, 02:16:53 PM
Post by: sixty_something on January 26, 2008, 02:16:53 PM
RED is offering the cube, WHITE to take in the situation described .. i clarified that in the question
but that very thought occurred to me during the game, it almost looked like a better cube for me (WHITE) than for rollingfool (RED) .. had it been my turn and the match score different, it looked as if a cube by me was a valid play
but that very thought occurred to me during the game, it almost looked like a better cube for me (WHITE) than for rollingfool (RED) .. had it been my turn and the match score different, it looked as if a cube by me was a valid play
Title: Re: Cube 102
Post by: Tomawaky on January 26, 2008, 06:40:57 PM
Post by: Tomawaky on January 26, 2008, 06:40:57 PM
Easy take :yes:
Title: Re: Cube 102
Post by: sixty_something on January 26, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
Post by: sixty_something on January 26, 2008, 08:30:04 PM
yes, but that is only part of the question .. also, let's not give away too much of the answer with replies .. remember, voters can see this before they vote
btw, Tomawaky, thanks for the idea of how to include an image of the board in the question :shakehands: .. see Cube 103 (http://www.fibsboard.com/improving-your-backgammon-skills/cube-103-t1769.0.html) for an example .. i haven't been able to upload an image of the board yet, but i used your banner
from another post to test the idea .. it's looking as if it may work .. i'll change the link to the board image as soon as i can find a place to put it
The perfect love affair is one which is conducted entirely by post.
-- George Bernard Shaw Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)
btw, Tomawaky, thanks for the idea of how to include an image of the board in the question :shakehands: .. see Cube 103 (http://www.fibsboard.com/improving-your-backgammon-skills/cube-103-t1769.0.html) for an example .. i haven't been able to upload an image of the board yet, but i used your banner
(http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/minifibs.gif)
The perfect love affair is one which is conducted entirely by post.
-- George Bernard Shaw Irish dramatist & socialist (1856 - 1950)
Title: Re: Cube 102 - foolish?
Post by: blitzxz on January 30, 2008, 06:45:46 AM
Post by: blitzxz on January 30, 2008, 06:45:46 AM
Spoiler
You should double if there is even slight possibility to lose markets when your opponent is 2-away. This is a good rule of thumb. Like in this position very good rolls (61, 31, 11, 44, 33, 66, 55, 64) could lead to double, pass. But... i made a bad double in this score also. So you could add to rule: that you shouldn't double if you're not favorite to win (exceptions to that propably too when very likely to gammon). And also which I often forgot is that there are no market losers if opponent has solid high anchor (unless behind huge prime or big race lead).
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Title: Re: Cube 102 - foolish?
Post by: dorbel on February 01, 2008, 03:31:23 PM
Post by: dorbel on February 01, 2008, 03:31:23 PM
Spoiler
Well this problem has been up long enough I think. This position, which is an excellent double by rollingfool and a clear take, belongs to a class of positions under the heading of "One way gammon threat, dead cube". After doubling, only Red benefits from a gammon and the cube is of no value to White. 3-away, 2-away and 4-away, 2-away are the scores at which you need to be alert to these. This cube would be even more potent at 4-away, 2-away, so much so that White should pass! That is because at 3-away, 2-away, Red has some wastage if he wins a doubled gammon; he can only use three of the four points for that. However, there is an upside too, which is that Red doesn't need to go crazy to win a gammon here, because a doubled plain game gets him to Crawford, where his winning chances are about 70%.
Instructive position. Learn and copy.
Instructive position. Learn and copy.
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Title: Re: Cube 102 - foolish?
Post by: sixty_something on February 01, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
Post by: sixty_something on February 01, 2008, 03:59:14 PM
:cool: thanks for the very instructive comments, dorbel .. i took the liberty to go in and put your and blitzxz's comments below behind a spoiler button because our intent (well my intent) is to leave them avaialbe as questions ad infinitum for new readers to enjoy as well .. i said i wasn't going to do this (edit other posts), but no changes other than adding the spolier button have been made
the spoiler feature (http://www.fibsboard.com/Themes/Fibsboard/images/bbc/spoiler.gif) is new and described at problem spoilers (http://www.fibsboard.com/feedback-questions/fibsboard-and-its-motives-t1761.0.html)
your comments and others are always most welcomed as are problems anyone may like to contribute :thumbsup:
Be a fountain, not a drain.
-- Rex Hudler , quoted in 'Sports Illustrated'
the spoiler feature (http://www.fibsboard.com/Themes/Fibsboard/images/bbc/spoiler.gif) is new and described at problem spoilers (http://www.fibsboard.com/feedback-questions/fibsboard-and-its-motives-t1761.0.html)
your comments and others are always most welcomed as are problems anyone may like to contribute :thumbsup:
Be a fountain, not a drain.
-- Rex Hudler , quoted in 'Sports Illustrated'