Poll
Question: Move 
Option 1: 13/9, 13/8
votes: 3
Option 2: 10/1
votes: 0
Option 3: 10/5, 8/4
votes: 1
Option 4: 10/5, 6/2
votes: 2
Option 5: 10/6, 10/5
votes: 0
Option 6: 13/4
votes: 0
Title: Game 2, move 5 : Herd 5-4
Post by: diane on September 14, 2012, 10:13:22 AM
Post by: diane on September 14, 2012, 10:13:22 AM
This is worth some thought..
Title: Re: Game 2, move 5 : Herd 5-4
Post by: Julia_H on September 14, 2012, 03:31:19 PM
Post by: Julia_H on September 14, 2012, 03:31:19 PM
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My first thought was 10/5 8/4, to try to keep the back men in, also duplicating 1s. However, 13/9 13/8 duplicates the 6s, gives us a crack at making a decent prime, and (barring 11) we're not going to have a shot at the outer board blot anyway. I think it's close, but I'd much rather have 13/9 13/8 than dumping men behind. Ooh, tactical voting...
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Title: Re: Game 2, move 5 : Herd 5-4
Post by: stiefnu on September 14, 2012, 05:35:34 PM
Post by: stiefnu on September 14, 2012, 05:35:34 PM
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10/5, 8/4 doesn't play behind, leaves only 1s to hit and is nice and flexible.
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Title: Re: Game 2, move 5 : Herd 5-4
Post by: ah_clem on September 17, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
Post by: ah_clem on September 17, 2012, 04:52:37 PM
XG Roller ++
I voted for the safe 10/5 6/2, but wasn't sure enough about it to weigh in why it was better. XG Roller++ says it's a whopper with cheese, as is the Herd's choice of 13/9 13/8.
The right idea here is to keep the midpoint and slot the four point. It's the next point we want to make, right? Pure play says slot it. Seems obvious in retrospect.
XGID=---b-BC-C-C-aB---baeb-b-B-:0:0:1:54:2:0:0:5:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:2 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O O O X |
| X O | | O O O X |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| X X | | X |
| X X | | X X O |
| O X X | | X X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 156 O: 126 X-O: 2-0/5
Cube: 1
X to play 54
1. XG Roller++ 10/5 8/4 eq:-0.446
Player: 44.15% (G:10.62% B:0.48%)
Opponent: 55.85% (G:20.82% B:1.97%)
2. XG Roller++ 13/4 eq:-0.526 (-0.080)
Player: 42.17% (G:9.69% B:0.44%)
Opponent: 57.83% (G:22.06% B:2.10%)
3. XG Roller++ 10/6 10/5 eq:-0.548 (-0.102)
Player: 40.42% (G:9.37% B:0.37%)
Opponent: 59.58% (G:19.06% B:1.38%)
4. XG Roller++ 13/9 13/8 eq:-0.597 (-0.151)
Player: 40.13% (G:9.03% B:0.44%)
Opponent: 59.87% (G:21.57% B:1.66%)
5. XG Roller++ 13/8 10/6 eq:-0.597 (-0.151)
Player: 39.83% (G:8.81% B:0.39%)
Opponent: 60.17% (G:20.65% B:1.57%)
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.03, MET: Kazaross XG2
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I voted for the safe 10/5 6/2, but wasn't sure enough about it to weigh in why it was better. XG Roller++ says it's a whopper with cheese, as is the Herd's choice of 13/9 13/8.
The right idea here is to keep the midpoint and slot the four point. It's the next point we want to make, right? Pure play says slot it. Seems obvious in retrospect.
XGID=---b-BC-C-C-aB---baeb-b-B-:0:0:1:54:2:0:0:5:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:2 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O O | | O O O X |
| X O | | O O O X |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | |
| X X | | X |
| X X | | X X O |
| O X X | | X X O |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 156 O: 126 X-O: 2-0/5
Cube: 1
X to play 54
1. XG Roller++ 10/5 8/4 eq:-0.446
Player: 44.15% (G:10.62% B:0.48%)
Opponent: 55.85% (G:20.82% B:1.97%)
2. XG Roller++ 13/4 eq:-0.526 (-0.080)
Player: 42.17% (G:9.69% B:0.44%)
Opponent: 57.83% (G:22.06% B:2.10%)
3. XG Roller++ 10/6 10/5 eq:-0.548 (-0.102)
Player: 40.42% (G:9.37% B:0.37%)
Opponent: 59.58% (G:19.06% B:1.38%)
4. XG Roller++ 13/9 13/8 eq:-0.597 (-0.151)
Player: 40.13% (G:9.03% B:0.44%)
Opponent: 59.87% (G:21.57% B:1.66%)
5. XG Roller++ 13/8 10/6 eq:-0.597 (-0.151)
Player: 39.83% (G:8.81% B:0.39%)
Opponent: 60.17% (G:20.65% B:1.57%)
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.03, MET: Kazaross XG2
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