Poll
The takepoint at this score is lower than usual, somewhere around 20%. But the price of gammons is quite elevated - about .75% I'd say we still have a decent chance to win this game (~30%) but the gammon rate and the high price we pay when we lose one makes me say "pass".
Question: Take?.
Option 1: Yes please
votes: 1
Option 2: Oh, no thankyou kind sir
votes: 7
Title: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: diane on April 08, 2013, 03:33:59 AM
Post by: diane on April 08, 2013, 03:33:59 AM
Here you go Herd, if you can imagine this with a cube on it - you can start deciding whether you want to take this cube or not...I will update the image when I get home.
(http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5511.0;attach=8314;image)
(http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5511.0;attach=8314;image)
Title: Re: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: Julia_H on April 08, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
Post by: Julia_H on April 08, 2013, 09:36:16 AM
Hmmm... on the surface we have quite a lot of duplication going - 1s and 2s to hit, 1s and 2s to pick up the blot on the five if required, 1s to cover it. But dig a bit deeper and there's a lot of other powerful numbers - 3 covers the five as well, 4 and 6 hit our back man. Given that Linus has a good anchor, we don't, and we have a stray home-board blot, if he does miss the outfield men then all-out attack seems a powerful strategy. With our position as exposed as it is, I'm leaning towards a pass.
Title: Re: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: stiefnu on April 08, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
Post by: stiefnu on April 08, 2013, 10:06:40 AM
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If he fails to hit we have plenty of winning chances but it just looks too gammonish to take. I vote to drop and fight another day.
Steve
Steve
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Title: Re: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: dorbel on April 08, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
Post by: dorbel on April 08, 2013, 10:20:27 AM
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Huge pass, just too many gammons. Any blitz where the blitzee has four blots is powerful. When the blitzer has the best anchor, all her doublets working and trails in a short match, then it is probably time to fold one's tent and slink into the night.
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Title: Re: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: ah_clem on April 08, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
Post by: ah_clem on April 08, 2013, 12:35:53 PM
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The takepoint at this score is lower than usual, somewhere around 20%. But the price of gammons is quite elevated - about .75% I'd say we still have a decent chance to win this game (~30%) but the gammon rate and the high price we pay when we lose one makes me say "pass".
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Title: Re: Game 2, Move 8: Herd Take or pass decision
Post by: ah_clem on April 09, 2013, 02:47:14 PM
Post by: ah_clem on April 09, 2013, 02:47:14 PM
XG++
We win about 30% of the time here, but lose gammons at a 38% rate, too many to swallow this cube. Taking here would be a massive blunder.
XGID=--ABCbDA----bA---bBdabbA--:0:0:-1:00:1:0:0:5:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:1 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
| X O X | | O O O O X |
| O X | | O O O |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | X |
| | | X X |
| O | | X O X X |
| O X | | X O X X X |
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
Pip count X: 123 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/5
Cube: 1
O on roll, cube action
Analyzed in XG Roller++
Player Winning Chances: 70.07% (G:38.13% B:2.14%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 29.93% (G:8.12% B:0.31%)
Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.689, Double=+1.725
Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.877 (-0.123)
Double/Take: +1.537 (+0.537)
Double/Pass: +1.000
Best Cube action: Double / Pass
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
Spoiler
We win about 30% of the time here, but lose gammons at a 38% rate, too many to swallow this cube. Taking here would be a massive blunder.
XGID=--ABCbDA----bA---bBdabbA--:0:0:-1:00:1:0:0:5:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Score is X:1 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
| X O X | | O O O O X |
| O X | | O O O |
| | | O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| | | X |
| | | X X |
| O | | X O X X |
| O X | | X O X X X |
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
Pip count X: 123 O: 125 X-O: 1-0/5
Cube: 1
O on roll, cube action
Analyzed in XG Roller++
Player Winning Chances: 70.07% (G:38.13% B:2.14%)
Opponent Winning Chances: 29.93% (G:8.12% B:0.31%)
Cubeless Equities: No Double=+0.689, Double=+1.725
Cubeful Equities:
No double: +0.877 (-0.123)
Double/Take: +1.537 (+0.537)
Double/Pass: +1.000
Best Cube action: Double / Pass
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
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