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There are situations where clearing the bar point before the 8 is correct. I don't thin this is one of them. Had we already cleared the midpoint then clearing the bar point would probably be right, but not here.
That leaves playing two off the 8 or off the 8 and 6. I like saving a transition and leaving a spare on the 8 - it looks more flexible in the medium term. 63 plays poorly for us if we play two off the 8.
I doubt there's a big equity difference between the two. 8/2 6/2.
Question: Move 
Option 1: 8/2, 8/4
votes: 7
Option 2: 8/2, 6/2
votes: 2
Option 3: 7/1, 7/3
votes: 0
Title: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: diane on May 01, 2013, 11:30:36 PM
Post by: diane on May 01, 2013, 11:30:36 PM
move?
Title: Re: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: KDP on May 02, 2013, 12:23:49 AM
Post by: KDP on May 02, 2013, 12:23:49 AM
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8-4 8-2 it unstacks the 8 pt, keeps our small 3 pt prime, covers one of the blots and still give us a landing spot for our 2 guys on the 13
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Title: Re: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: Julia_H on May 02, 2013, 06:59:29 AM
Post by: Julia_H on May 02, 2013, 06:59:29 AM
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Giving up the bar is wrong, as is leaving a shot unnecessarily. But is there a big difference between 8/2 8/4 and 8/2 6/2? The latter gives us one more 6 before the mid splits at the expense of being awkwardly odd at the back, but neither move leaves a shot next time and White's position is probably only one roll from leaving the mid as well. 8/2 8/4 and hope not to roll 63.
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Title: Re: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: ah_clem on May 02, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
Post by: ah_clem on May 02, 2013, 12:42:28 PM
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There are situations where clearing the bar point before the 8 is correct. I don't thin this is one of them. Had we already cleared the midpoint then clearing the bar point would probably be right, but not here.
That leaves playing two off the 8 or off the 8 and 6. I like saving a transition and leaving a spare on the 8 - it looks more flexible in the medium term. 63 plays poorly for us if we play two off the 8.
I doubt there's a big equity difference between the two. 8/2 6/2.
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Title: Re: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: KDP on May 02, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
Post by: KDP on May 02, 2013, 01:10:35 PM
i think we need to worry less about how our one worst # will play and concentrate more on making the best play.
Title: Re: Game 4, move 8 : Herd 6-4
Post by: ah_clem on May 10, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
Post by: ah_clem on May 10, 2013, 04:35:26 PM
XGR++
the herd's play comes out on top, with 8/2 6/2 not too far behind.
XGID=--AABbCBD---bB-----cbbbb--:0:0:1:64:3:1:0:5:3
X:Herd O:Linus
Score is X:3 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O O |
| X | | O O O O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | |
| X | | X |
| O X X | | X O X |
| O X X | | X O X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 103 O: 112 X-O: 3-1/5
Cube: 1
X to play 64
1. XG Roller++ 8/4 8/2 eq:+0.543
Player: 68.94% (G:2.15% B:0.03%)
Opponent: 31.06% (G:1.59% B:0.03%)
2. XG Roller++ 8/2 6/2 eq:+0.513 (-0.029)
Player: 67.59% (G:2.58% B:0.03%)
Opponent: 32.41% (G:2.03% B:0.04%)
3. XG Roller++ 7/3 7/1 eq:+0.499 (-0.043)
Player: 67.05% (G:2.20% B:0.04%)
Opponent: 32.95% (G:1.77% B:0.03%)
4. 1-ply 13/9 13/7 eq:+0.057 (-0.485)
Player: 55.33% (G:1.67% B:0.02%)
Opponent: 44.67% (G:4.30% B:0.16%)
5. 1-ply 8/2 7/3 eq:-0.042 (-0.585)
Player: 53.95% (G:3.64% B:0.04%)
Opponent: 46.05% (G:7.40% B:0.10%)
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
Spoiler
the herd's play comes out on top, with 8/2 6/2 not too far behind.
XGID=--AABbCBD---bB-----cbbbb--:0:0:1:64:3:1:0:5:3
X:Herd O:Linus
Score is X:3 O:1 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X | | O O O O O |
| X | | O O O O O |
| | | O |
| | | |
| | | |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| X | | |
| X | | X |
| O X X | | X O X |
| O X X | | X O X X X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 103 O: 112 X-O: 3-1/5
Cube: 1
X to play 64
1. XG Roller++ 8/4 8/2 eq:+0.543
Player: 68.94% (G:2.15% B:0.03%)
Opponent: 31.06% (G:1.59% B:0.03%)
2. XG Roller++ 8/2 6/2 eq:+0.513 (-0.029)
Player: 67.59% (G:2.58% B:0.03%)
Opponent: 32.41% (G:2.03% B:0.04%)
3. XG Roller++ 7/3 7/1 eq:+0.499 (-0.043)
Player: 67.05% (G:2.20% B:0.04%)
Opponent: 32.95% (G:1.77% B:0.03%)
4. 1-ply 13/9 13/7 eq:+0.057 (-0.485)
Player: 55.33% (G:1.67% B:0.02%)
Opponent: 44.67% (G:4.30% B:0.16%)
5. 1-ply 8/2 7/3 eq:-0.042 (-0.585)
Player: 53.95% (G:3.64% B:0.04%)
Opponent: 46.05% (G:7.40% B:0.10%)
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.10, MET: Kazaross XG2
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