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Dear Friends,

As a community we should seek for fairness among us

I'm a new here (around 3 weeks) but I play quite alot and must say that I became quite addicted. The problem I'd like to bring here is that there are few players that when they going to lose they dropped (leave) the game and become unreachable afterwords. (It happened to me just twice & heard from outhers as well) but still it is very irritate

I think we , as a community, have to take some actions in order to eliminate this behavior.

I'd like to  offer few ideas in order to bring that issue to an end and i hope (sure) that you as having much more experience then me here will come up with more ideas as well

1. Publish the name of those guys so players will avoid playing with them
2. create new software requirements in order to add functionality to the Fibs server which will encounter those guys, and carry out some actions such as:

 * Credit the rate points to the person , which was abandoned
 * Freeze the dropper for playing for a period of time (week, month...)

I'm willing to help doing the functionality requirements

Start with , the 2 players that dropped when played with me just before the game was going to end are:

* Baroncurl
* Chtirob


Thanks for your time

Rons

As you can imagine after being around for over a decade (fibs, not me ;)
this issue has been done to death. here are some links to help you catch up:

http://repbot.fibsboard.com/ (http://repbot.fibsboard.com/)

http://www.fibs.com/savedgames (http://www.fibs.com/savedgames)

Welcome Ronen  :D  It gets better the longer you're around.

Thanks for the tip  , I'll never play those two. Remember there are lots more nice people around that don't drop than those who do.  New players are easy targets, as you progress it will become less and less common, my last dropper would be over a year ago !

Use repbot and dont let them ruin your day  :D

It does get better i promise - after a few months on here - i had racked up over 30 saved games - and had never dropped anyone - even a bot!! :rolleyes:

Then i found out stuff - for instance, repbot - and used the toggle alert function, that helped a lot to catch the genuine disconnection problems - and finish those matches - and now i carry a maximum of around four saved games - and those are often by choice.

I have not been dropped in ages - but it still does happen - i had the dubious honour of being baroncarls first drop - back when he had no saved games - and no bad rep.  I have done my part to try to warn people - i complained, i shout it - and it is even posted here somewhere!! And he still finds victims.... ahh well (while we are doing this - top tip - lily is a dropper too  ;) )

As mentioned above - dont let these people put yer off - just take as many precautions as possible - and enjoy the good stuff here  :D

I usually only drop when the other player cheats, i.e. rolls better dice than me. Generally you should also curse the other player out, question their sexuality, whine & take increasingly longer time between rolls as the match reaches its conclusion. Proper droppage (pronounced with a French accent) is an art.

Shouting repeatedly about such occurrences also can help matters.  Something along the following lines is usually appropriate:

*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***
*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***
*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***

Do this 10 or 20 times.

Also, make sure and do it every time you log in, for each dropper you encounter, as there may be other fibsters who were not logged in the previous time(s) you shouted.  This will ensure that everyone stays informed as to the problem, and will help to drastically reduce people's irritation on fibs.

Thanks!

Hi all

I'd like 2 add 2 more droppers

1. Hockey_Nite which accept my invitation 4 resuming our saved match and when he saw(remember) that he is going 2 lose he dropped again even without moving one ston

2. Lily

ronen,

Note that saying anything about droppers may get you labelled as a whiner. Check the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

It is better to use repbot, both for checking reputations before playing, and for complaining afterwards.

Why? Let's take your 4 names as a "random" sample, i.e. not supplied by me or any other repbot advocate:

RepBot says: Baroncarl's reputation is -117318(BAD) (51 saved games)
RepBot says: Hockey_Nite's reputation is -59644(BAD) (40 saved games)
RepBot says: lily's reputation is -175019(BAD) (68 saved games)

Those 3 you may want to avoid. Note that I said *may*. It is up to you. RepBot is not totally accurate, but if there are 20 choices  of people to play with good reps, why pick one of these? Is that unfair? Hell no. It is easy to get a good rep on fibs. Even I have one.

What about the 4th one?

RepBot says: chtirob's reputation is 2309(GOOD) (2 saved games)

Does this mean chtirob is not a dropper? That is up for you to decide. For me, I would take a closer look before getting angry.

RepBot says: chtirob complainers: [] vouchers: [resipsa] complaints: [ronen*]
vouches: [] (2 saved games)

This person has only 1 person vouching for them, but that person has a VERY good rep:
RepBot says: resipsa's reputation is 361373(GOOD) (4 saved games)

Again, it's up for you to decide what that means. To me, not knowing resipsa, it means that the rep is based on a grossly insufficent amount of data, i.e. sample size. Note that chtirob has registered a complaint about you.

Now I am wondering about you ;)

RepBot says: ronen's reputation is 39422(GOOD) (17 saved games)

RepBot says: ronen's complainers: chtirob*, htwooosa, silverback
>
RepBot says: ronen's vouchers: bemator, Carolina_Blue, Cheesedick, clure, diane, Gib, GMoore, mimbing, MND, xkont
>
RepBot says: ronen's complaints: Baroncarl*, Biggles_two, Hockey_Nite*, lily,
wolfman
>
RepBot says: ronen's vouches: Cheesedick, GMoore, kanze, MMagnani, xkont
>
RepBot says: ronen has 17 saved games.

You have some good vouchers, and a good rep. You use repbot some, but why no complaint against chtirob? Perhaps you have done your repbot homework afterall and are withholding judgement? Why not leave a nice message with them, hoping to get the match resumed sometime and the complaint about you withdrawn?

Dear Friends

Thanks to Burper and all the other repliers for your support.

I  agree with your comments and i goess i should put more effort on studying the repbot commands in order to be faster on the keybaord:) At the end of the day it is better not 2 play a match because you waste time on checking on the person then to play anyone and find out that after a long match just befor u win he droppes on u.

I guess my current situation is like a new kid on the "flesh "market that doesnt use any protection and could find himself getting a disease later on:)

However i think that this problem can be addressed in parallel, individually as mentioned by Burper and others, by the community which  you as veterans surely can come with some good ideas and as a softwer designer i think (know) by putting more functionality in the Fibs server

Finaly, after going through Burper analysis, and as chtirob is not on my list which i've complained and as extra precaution, I'm taking his name out and I sorry if by mistake i put him on the light spot (negatively) as a  dropper - SORRY chtirob!!!

ronen

QuoteNote that saying anything about droppers may get you labelled as a whiner. Check the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

I will not be sarcastic.
I will not be sarcastic.
I will not be sarcastic.

</bart_simpson>

Did I say sarcastic? I meant to say helpful, well-meaning, informative and heartwarming.

QuoteCheck the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

Terrific. Now I'm linked forever with souptree.

QuoteBurper said: It is easy to get a good rep on fibs. Even I have one.

^_^ Well, you are among the 50 people  I know that deserve it. :yes:  

QuoteHi all

I'd like 2 add 2 more droppers

1. Hockey_Nite which accept my invitation 4 resuming our saved match and when he saw(remember) that he is going 2 lose he dropped again even without moving one ston

2. Lily

Thanks for telling me about hockey_Nite, albeit too late. Just lost 5 rating points to that sucker. Thats another problem with repbot, you only check the reputation too late.
MND

maybe there is a justification for having the hall of shame copied on here somewhere since a lot of players seem to know where this is, and arent aware of the other (no matter how many links are set up)  :D  

Hi dear friends

I'd like 2 had 1 more dropper 2 my list which had dropped me while i was leading 6:0 on a 7 points game and 3 moves before i'd finish cleared my man he dropped

His name is Motumba - Beaware of him!!!

P.S: He is quite confusing as he had just 2 saved games when he invited me so i didn't paid much attention to his bad reputation

It seems an apology is due here - lily has been wronged it seems - 'her' astounding climb to no 9  in the hall of shame, with an awe inspiring 108 saved games is actually NOT HER FAULT AFTER ALL!

This was shouted in her defence tonight - so i want you all to take good heed when considering future invites...........


I would like to say something to u dear fibsters. He did nithing wrong to me, but to someone called Lily. She is 74 years old and uses a dial-up connection and sometimes it drops because someone attempts to call her. You understand what I mean ? She is the one who toche me this game, so damned, go easy with her.

I, for one, will be lining up to become another of her accidental saved games  :D

:huh:   I printed out the hall of shame and it hangs in front of me now... so I can see in a sec if it is worth playing or not...  :tears:

Regarding Lily... I will take consideration of diane's remarks, remebering when I had nothing else than a phone line to connect, how hard it was sometimes to keep it going on... so, Lily... whenever you want darling..!   :rolleyes:  

I am glad to see it - with a little help from friends - she may yet achieve greater heights - maybe as many as 200 saved games!  Heck - every fibster could have a saved game with her!  :D  

Does her dial up connection prevent her from resuming games?  Get out of here with this!  I don't care if she is 104, resume your games!

What kinda excuse is this?

Maybe she hates winning and is secretly dropping whenever she's ahead! It would be a great challenge to see how many saved games you could accumulate since only one per person is possible, and they expire after a few months... Go Lily!

I might also add that if lily is in the USA she is probably being knocked off by incoming calls only if she has call waiting.  There is a command that can be inserted into the dialing code that turns off call waiting just for that call.  she can get that from her local telephone company.

Again, if she is sophisticated enough to get a dial-up connection and login to fibs, she can certainly handle inserting this code, or at the very least, resuming games!  If not, have one of her grandkids do it, or ask someone on fibs.  If that is really her problem I am sure that I would be happy to help her learn how to resume games and turn off call waiting.

PW :stupid:  

Do i take it - from your grumpy posts Port - that you are not prepared to do your bit and help lily on her way to 200 saved games??   :P  

I have to agree with PortWine on this one, too! ;))  The games can be resumed.  

Quote
Thanks for telling me about hockey_Nite, albeit too late. Just lost 5 rating points to that sucker. Thats another problem with repbot, you only check the reputation too late.

If you use 3dFibs client, it is linked to repbot and notifies you of a players reputation when they invite you.  It is marvelously fast and great info to keep you away from the probable droppers.  It also has a feature for checking quickly from the ready list.   :rolleyes:

socksey





" It isn't premarital sex if you have no intention of getting married."
George Burns  

Whatever way you connect to FIBS you can still use the RepBot alert feature. Every time someone logs in that you have a saved game with RepBot tells you about it.

Tell RepBot "help alert" or read about it on the webpage:
http://repbot.fibsboard.com/ (http://repbot.fibsboard.com/)

The senior citizens already get a 10% discount at Denny's Restaurant on Wednesdays.  I'm supposed to forgive them for dropping now?  Lily should make an appointment with Dr. Kervorkian if she can't learn how to resume!

According to PortWine we should simply shoot Lily cuz she is 74 and drops accidently so don't deserve any mercy... so, question is : what do we do we all the younger ones who drop deliberatly... maybe an acid bath..??    :(  

I think the FIBS droppers Hall of Shame is a bit bland looking:
http://www.fibs.com/savedgames/shame.html (http://www.fibs.com/savedgames/shame.html)

This page needs some graphics to help emphasize the shame! Could be a webpage which reproduces the list after consulting RepBot to give even more shame... How about a short sound file gets played each time in a kid's voice going "shaaaaame"?  :P  :bye:  :cow:  

What if players started only playing unlimiteds, that would really screw up their saved game count? Anyway, I'll definitely be on the lookout to play a friendly against Lily  :)  

Hi dear friends

I'd like 2 had 1 more dropper &  a dirty mouther 2 my list which had dropped me while we were just started a 7 pointer game (score was 0:0) and after twice told him i'm sorry which i had 2 do something he dropped without any previous warning following with a "make love to you" message!!!

then in the Shout screen he add "Ass hall"

His name is c_a_russell

Beaware of him!!!

Actually, wishing death on droppers is bad for your karma.  I actually prefer to wish two weeks of uninterupted diarrhea on droppers, young and old.  Sometimes if I am really feeling vindictive I wish for them to be stuck in traffic a lot for those two week.

And Shades, if lily knows how to invite, she certainly knows how to resume.  If she doesn;t I will make it a point of teaching her next time she is on.

Young or old, there just is no excue for dropping!

DEATH TO DROPPERS!!!!  I have great karma!  ;))))

socksey




You can close your eyes to things you don't want to see, but you can't close your heart to the things you don't want to feel." - unknown

QuoteHi dear friends

I'd like 2 had 1 more dropper &  a dirty mouther 2 my list which had dropped me while we were just started a 7 pointer game (score was 0:0) and after twice told him i'm sorry which i had 2 do something he dropped without any previous warning following with a "make love to you" message!!!

then in the Shout screen he add "Ass hall"

His name is c_a_russell

Beaware of him!!!

c_a_russell = vix_it?

Hi again my friends,

I want to add two more players that dropped me while they were losing the game & refused to complete.

I'm not saying they are dropping all the time but just to mention that they dropped me , maybe they had a bad day or whatever....

So i'm sure that if they not a chronic droppers so after they will read it or be notified, they wont drop any more & anyone . In particular player named yoyo which i guess he thought he could saved him 7 points lose match rate by dropping & no one would be tallking about it. The second player who dropped on me is zoeboy

The following are some lines which i logged concerning yoyo responds( or to be accurate his lack of responds) to my request of resuming the match:


You kibitz: hi yoyo
You kibitz: why udropped from our match
You kibitz: r u a dropper?
yoyo kibitzes: yep, chech my rating
You kibitz: so u r a dropper?
You kibitz: ok check out the fibs forum u will be mentioned there as a dropper
yoyo kibitzes: lol
You kibitz: & on the shouts screen as well
You kibitz: now
You kibitz: its your last chance before i starting publish that u dropped me
yoyo kibitzes: do that, and u will be the 1st person I have never finished with
You kibitz: r u willing 2 continue our match?
You kibitz: yes or no?
You kibitz: & i'm logging your responds

The above was via the personal chat screen, after i published his refusal on the shouts screen & other players got involved then he starts 2 bring some excuses and i kept one which he used dirty words as well:



yoyo shouts: dried to resume with "ronen the jerk" he is refusing




** I'd like to explain why i'm not willing to let these cases off , as it is so irritate when it is happend that i really get so much upset!!!
Think that u r playing 7 points game, which is takes quite much time & just before u win, the other player drop . It is really a bad behavior & i wont let it go even if the guy has many friends & his current saved game is minimum.
He is still dropped a game & he should be reproof by all the morale players

Regards

ronen

I fully agree - a 7 pt match is a lot of time to invest in nothing.  May I suggest shorter matches with players at first - until you get to know them. Once you are confident about them, then increase the matchlength.  Join the league - all those matches are 7 points, and those players will not drop you.

I've played yoyo many times and, win or lose, he's always been polite and finished the match.

Yeah - now you mention it - I think I have a vouch in place for yoyo,  hmmmm - are you being a bit aggressive in chasing your resumes ronen?  I know you are ok - cos I have played with you too - but sometimes language differences can cause upset where there need be none.

QuoteAnd Shades, if lily knows how to invite, she certainly knows how to resume.

LOL.........Port, I was wondering the same thing.  I have a dialup connection!  She is not looking to resume, or she doesn't watch her notices.  However, I love the trend this is moving to.   ;)

QuoteDid I say sarcastic? I meant to say helpful, well-meaning, informative and heartwarming.

AS ALWAYS...........souptree and lews provide the comedic relief!   :cool:   *group huggggggggggg*

QuoteThanks for telling me about hockey_Nite, albeit too late. Just lost 5 rating points to that sucker. Thats another problem with repbot, you only check the reputation too late.
MND

What client are you using, MND?  Some of the clients (3dFibs for one) support repbot and the repbot notice pops up with the invite, so it takes no time at all to decide whether to play or not.  

Burper <--------the man to ask about repbot, when one subscribes to repbot, does this do the same thing, and how does one do it?  Oops, sorry, slipped into my formal mode, there.   :P

Good point, diane.  Sometimes language is a huge obstacle.  

I have been on Fibs for so long, I have become disinterested in droppers except to shout "Death to Droppers" occasionally.  I use repbot and once in a blue moon I will accept too fast like a day or two ago.  Now, to show you how important this was to me, I don't remember who it was.  I've learned not to waste my energies on this problem and just move on.  You can get an ulcer or not.  Your choice.   :rolleyes:

socksey



"Laughter is the shortest distance between two people." - Victor Borge

I am writing in response to droppers's methods of "fair play" interpretation, and once again, I merely wish to point out that these pugnacious cheaters are hopelessly irresponsible. What follows is a set of observations I have made about said intrusive underachievers. I could accuse them of using empty-headed internet guerrilla tactics to get their way, but I wouldn't stoop to that level. Their ventures promote a redistribution of FIBS ratings. This is always an appealing proposition for droppers's intimates because much of the redistributed ratings "wealth" will undoubtedly end up in the hands of the redistributors as a condign reward for their lousy behaviour.

I can reword my point as follows. droppers are trying to deflect attention from there poor play. I am appalled that I have cause to write this article. This implies that at their mildest, their expostulations still manage to terrorize newbies. Am I aware of how the droppers will react when they read that last sentence? Yes. Do I care? No, because they never tire of trying to extinguish fires with gasoline. Droppers presumably hope that the magic formula will work some day. In the meantime, they seem to have resolved to learn nothing from playing experience, which tells us that what we're involved in with here is not a game. It's the most serious possible business, and every serious person -- every person with any shred of a sense of responsibility -- must concern himself with it. This has been documented repeatedly. May we never forget this if we are to deny droppers and  a chance to rip apart causes that others feel strongly about.

Dear zoeboy,

I dont know if u read my last post on that title but u mentioned there as player that left the game while losing without any explanation & never came back 2 resume, which is explained most of the time as a dropper!

I must say that as my English is not mother tongue so i'm not sure i understood all what u have written, but it looks as i agree with your intentions ( I hope though that your writting style is of unconscious & not as show off :) I'm saying that as on international forum, writting should be kept simple or as we say based on K.I.S.S model:)

BTW, I read your other post on the "sport& politics" which was posted by me as well & I think no one could put it as true as u did, if i got it right of course:)

Greetings

ronen

P.S: I'd appreciate if u approach to me in order to resume our saved game

Dear Friends,

I'd like 2 add 1 more person that dropped me because i asked him if he can play faster. His name is dorbel
I think that this request is not a reason 4 dropping in particular if it being asked politely

The following is my request:

You kibitz: is it possible 2 play faster pls
dorbel kibitzes: no
dorbel kibitzes: I am not slow, but sometimes I like to think
dorbel kibitzes: if that isnt good for you, play with someone else
You kibitz: it looks like all the time

Then he dropped & continues 2 justified his bad playing manners on the shouts screen as follows:

You shout: u dont drop because someone is asking 2 play
faster
dorbel shouts: Oh yes I do
dorbel shouts: whats the hurry?
dorbel shouts: play someone else if you like to hurry, I don't
mind.


I think if he gets hurt because someone asked him nicely so he can resign & btw the score was 00 in a 5 points game while i was leading

Be aware not 2 ask him 2 play faster:) or if u like 2 play fast dont play him as he might drop u

ronen

Ronen, i have to ask you to stop this witch-hunt here.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Dorbel is a very well known and respected member of the Backgammon community and he doesn't deserver his reputation being damaged like this.

And he is right, if you don't like his speed (or slowness) you shouldn't play him.
I know you mean well by warning other people but here's a warning: Don't play Ronen becuase he will put you on Fibsboard if you play to slow or loose connection ..

See my point?

webrunner u misjudge my point & myself

If u read carefully what i've wrote on my last post & on the others post as well so i never did such a thing & by imply that u misinterpreted & mislead others concerning myself

I'm a very thorough person & i do check & ask before I post a player name in addition I copy & paste his & mine words so it will be clear.

Its true i dont enjoyed playing slow but i do ask nicely & if the player cant play faster & he is realy slow i wont invite him again or wont accept his

I never & will ever do such a thing as u implied

Now concerning this gentelman - dorbel , he might be as u said but it is not justified 2 drop a match if u being asked nicely 2 play faster as shown in my previouse message, same as by no means u wont accept that someone will do a crime if it is his first one:)

ronen  

I realise you are likely to fall back on your excuse of not having English as your first langauge but I don't consider your behaviour towards dorbel polite.

You insulted him and then, once he had left the game, you berated him in shouts.

You accuse dorbel of bad manners but, to me, at the very worst, he was guilty of responding in kind to your unwarranted provocations.

QuoteI realise you are likely to fall back on your excuse of not having English as your first langauge but I don't consider your behaviour towards dorbel polite.

I've said it time and time again.
language is a bigger barrier then most people realize.
here on fibsboard we can communicate and show poeple our real meaning by using smilies  ;)   but this is harder on fibs.

I agree with Jag (and i am NOT a native english speaker): You were not very polite.
Having said that i would have probably be not offended by your remarks because i realize how difficult it is to communicate in a language that is not your own.

Still your remark that dorbel was thinking all the time (see your posted chat log) wasn't very nice and polite, even you can see that.

I don't misjudge you Ronen, i think you are def one of the good guys. I simply state that posting every dropper here on fibsboard is not a very good way to make new friends. Instead you make more enemies and people will think twice before playing you.

In Ronen's defense, I've played Ronen and found him to be a very pleasant opponent.   Reading his experiences here with some other players leaves me with some questions as to his grasp of the English language.  

English is a difficult language at best.  Even those who are English speaking, as their first language, have difficulty expressing themselves, as well as  understanding others to perfection.  There will always be misunderstoods.  

My point is that we should keep the lines of communcation open so that a better understanding shall be gained by all.

Who we play and who we don't play backgammon with is a choice we all have the opportunity to make.  All the input in this thread can help determine this choice IMO.

Zoeboy, you take my breath away!  Thanks for making me exercise my brain.   :cool:

And to help our understanding along, I will leave you with a famous (or infamous, depending on how you look at things) remark by our current President of the United States.  This may give you some insight on some misunderstoods.   :P  

socksey   :lol:




"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." - George W. Bush

I speak english and brooklyn.  Both are difficult to master.  If you want tips on learning brooklyn, try watching a vin diesel movie.

Dear Friands,

After reading the last posted here i definitely remained with some unclear issues which i'd appreciate if u guys explain me.

1. In what way my poor English is related to dorbel act of dropping our match

2. Mentioned below is the words with im accused of giving dorbrl his right 2 drop.
   Be real guys are those words so impolite which justified dropping?
   If they were so, then i guess more then 50% of the games here were be ended   as drop out , isnt it? (Wasnt no dirty words nor extreme behavior)
  Do a fast test & ask yourself 2 questions - 1) if u would drop on that case?
  2) Based on your experience here, how many times did u here much dirty & abusive words & still the game was on?
[/QUOTE]You kibitz: it looks like all the time

3. Same as we all condemned Biggle's gang we should condemn webrunner & jeg remarks as it seems like plain politics: as no one can criticized the so called "old good guys" (dorbel) as even the best person can stumbled so does he immuned from being criticized?


4. webrunner, why u asked my 2 stop put here player's name which dropped a match?  If he dropped me without good reason so i thought this is the right place to put his name isnt it? Btw I didnt saw u said something when i put here names of a well known & so called "bad guys" .
I'm sure u dont want 2 run this place same as the old rassia runs its newspapers which just what they want 2 be published was published!

In my short time here (4.5 months) i've played here more then 7000 games (my expr) so I've some history which i can be based upon:

 * I never spoke dirty
 * I never dropped a match
 * I'll continue putting here players name who drop or use dirty & if u want 2 play the role of the old K.G.B so feel free to do it




 

Hi Guys ,

Just remembered one of Jag older comment so I brought it here 4 your judgement.




jag Posted: Aug 19 2004, 10:18 AM  


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Is this really what RepBot is for?

I've always assumed RepBot is there to allow fibsters to register complaints about people displaying the more extreme forms of anti-social behaviour on FIBS - dropping and refusing to resume and particularly offensive comments.

Yes holkeri was a bit rude to ronen, but where does his comment rate on the anti-social scale?

Perhaps a 2 out of 10.

I really don't think it was rude enough for someone effectively to put their own reputation on the line by complaining.

To me, these kind of complaints on RepBot (the guy didn't drop and refuse to resume, he didn't swear, he just whinged a bit) negates it's effectiveness.


I paste here holkeri rude words as well as follows:
:" holkeri kibitzes: not just lucky but also stupid, wow what a combination!"

I want 2 understand does my words 2 dorbel r less or higher then holkeri's on the anti-social scale? In addition and as continuation 2 jag last words on the enclosed message above - Dorbel did drop & refused to resume !!!

I rest my case & please reconsidered yours:)

ronen

If we take the two comments:

holkeri kibitzes: not just lucky but also stupid, wow what a combination!

I cannot comment on the full conversation you had with holkeri as we have only seen your side of it.

(ronen) You kibitz: it looks like all the time

In context, I would rank them at a quite similar level of insult. You criticised dorbel for slow play and insinuated that it was not for the reasons that dorbel gave, effectively calling him (her?) a liar.

Did you mention before the match started that you like to play quickly? Some people genuinely have a reason for 'slow' play - it may be that they are experiencing server lag, they may like to think about their moves and on occasion look at some alternatives, they may not be loaded up with caffeine and/or amphetamines. You should give such people the opportunity not to commence a match with you.

I do know, however, that you have been quite selective with your choice of quotes in dorbel's case as I personally witnessed your shouts at that time. If you genuinely wanted to resume with dorbel, you might at least have given him (her?) due consideration rather than criticism in an open forum (or two).

Quote3. Same as we all condemned Biggle's gang we should condemn webrunner & jeg remarks as it seems like plain politics: as no one can criticized the so called "old good guys" (dorbel) as even the best person can stumbled so does he immuned from being criticized?

I would appreciate some clarification. In what way are my (and webrunner's) remarks "plain politics" (I genuinely don't understand this term) and why should they be condemned for being so?

QuoteI would appreciate some clarification. In what way are my (and webrunner's) remarks "plain politics" (I genuinely don't understand this term) and why should they be condemned for being so?

Obv this wasn't addressed to me but I suspect , as you probably already know , "plain politics" is an intrinsically self-contradictory criticism of debate.

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"plain politics" is an intrinsically self-contradictory criticism of debate.

You are trying to help ronen here?????  :wacko:  

No diane - my response was to jag's question remember? Obviously I'd use simpler english to a non-native speaker.

Sunshine in South England - I'm feeling blessed - it may last until Friday (feeling and weather) !

Dropping is leaving a match that one is just about to lose in order to avoid losing rating points. The match that I left with ronen is 0-0 to 5 with the cube in the middle and a fairly indeterminate middle game position. This is not dropping. Ronen felt that I was playing too slowly for his liking. In the circumstances I felt that it was better for him to seek another opponent, rather than waste his time.
His several posts in this thread and his numerous abusive shouts confirm me in my belief that I was quite right to leave the match. His latest is to accuse me of being a redneck anti-semitic American, which will give those who know me cause for a chuckle! Why on earth does he want to play backgammon with me? What possible pleasure can either of us get from a resumption? It's all very strange.

QuoteWhy on earth does he want to play backgammon with me?

:P ...YES!!!!...why???   :blush:  

Dorbel post is full of incorrectness :

1. In which dictionary is written that dropping is because of losing? So if some one is playing fast or a bit slow its ok 2 drop? Dont think so .... and U can find other wired examples as much as u want

2.resh_lakish said that he is anti-semitic not me & i asked him if he is redneck & didnt said he is & it was with a smile as well

3. Why he think i want 2 play with him, he dropped instead of resign so i do care to minimize my saved matches, thats it.

We have a saying that say : " A ston that was thrown 2 a well by a silly guy, even 10 very smart persons wont be able 2 pull back"  

Be well

ronen

P.S: This post is my last one on that case  

Another dropper has been found & his name is silverback

I think this is a great service. List all droppers here. Thanks ronen.
They really are quite annoying.

Two advices from Dr. Zorbphil about this whole Oprah thread:

1. Start drinking heavily :2drunk:

2. The important thing is to enjoy yourself! :LOL2:

3. Death to all droppers and cheaters :hang:

4. I can't count

:angry:    and another bad mouthed dropper :

   :puke:      Skottha [/size]

      :imwithstupid:   he think he can play.... ( not even with HHIMSELF..!!  )

and another dropper... :


:puke:    nandaniteroi

And while we're on the subject, I may as well stick my oar in too........

beware Mariiii         :evil:

only 300+ experience, and already 52 saved games - this must surely be a record!!!!

Dear Friends,
For me, as a non-native English kibitzer, it seems that in some cases of dropping and/or rude language accusations, you just forgot to add those simple three punctuation marks ;-)
It is never too late to reconsider your positions and  :blush: won`t hurt.

Keep  ^_^ , tomorrow will be worse..