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Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 27, 2005, 09:29:15 AM
I can't connect to fibs.com in http or to play, neither Gammonline !
Everybody else ?
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 27, 2005, 10:13:29 AM
Did you have a look at the FIBS Status Page -->www.fibsboard.com/status/ (http://http://www.fibsboard.com/status/)

Presently everything is okay and I can log in.


Hardy   :)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 27, 2005, 10:58:44 AM
Hi all,
well; i cant connect to fibs.com either... and cant connect to your links as well  :( i even cant re-download cocoa... oh, well, what a sad day !  :tears:  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 27, 2005, 11:05:33 AM
I was playing on FIBS just a few minutes ago. More than 75 players online. All enjoying their plays.

You must be having different problems ... sorry.   :tears:


Hardy   B)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 27, 2005, 03:59:42 PM
Can you please post here the IP address for me to check
Thanks
Still can't connect since 2 days now....TOO BAD
First time it happen in 6 years
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 27, 2005, 05:03:13 PM
QuoteCan you please post here the IP address for me to check
Not sure what you mean with IP here. The parameters for the TELNET-interface access are:

Host: fibs.com
Port: 4321

Using JavaFIBS you enter those settings in the menu: "Preferences" --> "Server".

QuoteStill can't connect since 2 days now....TOO BAD

Thats hard. I would be near to suicide, if that happend to me  ;)

Hoping that you solve your problems soon  :yes:

Hardy  B)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 27, 2005, 05:45:50 PM
Tomawaky !!!
merci!!!
je suis tombée par hasard sur ton site et j'ai pu y télécharger javafibs sans passer par fibs.com.
Je suis donc reconnectée !
merci, merci, merci... et je croise les doigts pour toi  :rolleyes:
p. s : bravo pour ton site  ;)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 27, 2005, 05:48:42 PM
witi Ip I mean Internet address
I hesolve here fibs.com as 67.122.198.180

Do you have the same ?

By exemple, go to command dos and type "ping fibs.com" and look at the address resolved....


C:\>ping fibs.com

Envoi d'une requête 'ping' sur fibs.com [67.122.198.180] avec 32 octets de donné
es :

Délai d'attente de la demande dépassé.
Délai d'attente de la demande dépassé.
Délai d'attente de la demande dépassé.
Délai d'attente de la demande dépassé.

Statistiques Ping pour 67.122.198.180:
   Paquets : envoyés = 4, reçus = 0, perdus = 4 (perte 100%),
Durée approximative des boucles en millisecondes :
   minimum = 0ms, maximum = 0ms, moyenne = 0ms
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 27, 2005, 05:50:27 PM
merci tanitoc

Malheureusement j'ai toujours le meme souci !!!!
Si j'ai pu t'aider
tant mieux ;-)
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 27, 2005, 05:59:41 PM
:o
too bad tomawaky...
en fait, en meme temps j'ai retrouvé ma connection cocoa... j'sais pas trop ce qu'il s'est passé... mais vraiment, je compatis.... une journée sans fibs et j'ai cru devenir dingue.... c'est vraiment une drogue dure :)
@ bientôt :)
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 27, 2005, 06:11:58 PM
Tomawaky, the IP is 65.122.198.180. But what do you need it for? None of the interfaces I've ever seen needs the IP. You access it with "fibs.com".

Btw, FIBS does not answer on my pings here. But still I am online. Your problem is probably either your interface (do you use JavaFIBS???) or your firewall. If you use JavaFIBS it might be Java as well.

Hardy  B)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: amarganth on August 27, 2005, 06:13:09 PM
Hi Tomawaky

Yes, I have the same IP Address. And FIBS works as usual.

Try the following:
telnet fibs.com 4321
at the command line.

It *must* work.

If it works: you have a problem with your FIBS client
If it doesn't work: you have a problem with your provider or your firewall.
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tryout on August 27, 2005, 07:15:38 PM
This is a DNS problem and therefore depends on your ISP. FIBS has 2 interfaces and for systems where fibs.com usually resolves to 67.122.198.180 sometimes it doesn't.

If everything works normally the following addresses are given:

> nslookup fibs.com
Server:  localhost
Address:  127.0.0.1

Name:    fibs.com
Addresses:  198.144.203.150, 67.122.198.180

Also note that 67.122.198.180 doesn't answer on (ICMP) pings. 198.144.203.150 does answer.

A few months ago I've also had problems connecting to the 67.xxx address. Right now both addresses work, though.




Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: amarganth on August 27, 2005, 07:53:27 PM
So, Franck, you can test the following:

telnet fibs.com 4321
telnet 198.144.203.150 4321
telnet 67.122.198.180 4321


The test ist ok, if you get the FIBS Startup-Messages until the login-prompt.

Something *must* work.
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 27, 2005, 08:04:34 PM
ok
198.144.203.150 was configured in my FW but last time I saw that DNS have changed to 67.122.198.180.
So I just tested the 2 IP but 67.122.198.180 doesn't work
Only 198.144.203.150 is still working ..... !

thanks you all for your help

yesterday I success with difficulty in dos command with 67.122.198.180 ip but not really good

198 works fine  :)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: diane on August 27, 2005, 08:46:31 PM
Between the french and computer speak - I dont understand a word of this - but I do hope you are getting sorted out  :D
OK - back to problem solving...
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: socksey on August 27, 2005, 11:33:17 PM
Correct, diane.  How can we help if we don't understand?  Will all you who posted here in French or whatever, please translate in English also, now and always?

Thank you very much..............socksey




"We are confronted with insurmountable opportunities." - Walt Kelly
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 28, 2005, 12:45:12 AM
Hey socks,

QuoteWill all you who posted here in French or whatever, please translate in English also, now and always?

what shall those people do, who have a problem, that is so difficult, that they are unable to express it in English (not beeing their mother language)??? You would not be able to help about this technical matter anyhow  :D

If the FIBS-Board is their last hope, leave this opportunity to them.

Relax  :P

Hardy  B)



 
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 28, 2005, 11:37:39 AM
Ty hardy, i do agree
and, btw socksey, the french message was only to thanks tomawoky cause i could download javafibs from his website, wich was great cause i could not do it from fibs.com, as i could not connect (just like him). So, as i got tomawaky was a french speaker, i found it natural to thanks him in our language... Didn't think english was the only official and authorized language here on fibsboard, but well... you seem to know more than me about it
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: socksey on August 28, 2005, 06:18:08 PM
Quotewhat shall those people do, who have a problem, that is so difficult, that they are unable to express it in English (not being their mother language)??? You would not be able to help about this technical matter anyhow

There are all kinds of translations available online, so, it's not so difficult any more.  

How do you know my technical expertise or not or that of anyone else reading this?  That is not the point.  

Fibsboard is not operated by an English owner, webrunner, but Fibs is, therefore, I feel the #1 language of Fibsboard should be English.  

Secondly, webrunner has appointed me moderator, and as moderator, if I do not understand the language posted here, I cannot do my job.  I have stated this many times previously here.  Perhaps you missed it before.

QuoteSo, as i got tomawaky was a french speaker, i found it natural to thanks him in our language...

In this case, there is a personal email option that you can use so that only you and Tomawaky need see your thank you message.   ^_^  

I apologize that I only know English, but that is the way it is.  So, humor me, please.   ;)  The job doesn't pay enough for me to translate everything that is posted here in another language.

Thank you for your anticipated cooperation!   :D

socksey



"Some days it just isn't worth chewing through the leather straps" - Emo Phillips
 
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 28, 2005, 07:51:18 PM
Hi Socksey, I know that you do not like when I post in french B) .
But I like to do so when I meet a frenchy.

Just thinking that you will not understand make me laugh

No sorry, c'est juste pour te taquiner => I'm just kidding you
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 28, 2005, 08:41:57 PM
:rolleyes:
yeah
keep  :cool: socks
was nothing against u... but all this time, u know, i was thinking tomawaky was american !!!! (and i really dont know why!)
so, can u now understand how happy i felt !!!!! :P
c u socksey i'll teach u french whenever u want  :rolleyes:  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Hardy_whv on August 28, 2005, 10:36:22 PM
Hello Socks, we had the discussion already few times. I understand that you gladly versthehts, which goes off in such a way here. But why you cannot accept simply or other Posting in a foreign language? Does FIBS theboard collapse otherwise? I mean: no. Thus my recommendation is to see Postings in strange languages simply times as challenge and weight not each time. You already understand my arguments? I hope, Babelfish am really my friend. Greeting, Hardy

P.S.:  This was automatically translated by http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr (http://babelfish.altavista.com/tr). Hope its understandable.

:stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  :stupid:  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: diane on August 29, 2005, 02:29:22 AM
Lol  - no - not really  :D

But on a serious note - it does seem too much to me, to expect everyone who wishes to use this board to write in English.  Webrunner himself has said he doesnt think it is necessary - and has posted in Dutch.  I can see the need for moderation in some cases - but not when the posts are by such characters as Tomawaky and tanitoc.

If there is a dire need (as has been pointed out) for someone who has moderator powers to understand the posts - maybe it is time more were recruited.  Tomawaky perhaps could cover French, and we have plenty of german speakers - to name but two of the many languages.

To argue that FIBS is held in an english speaking country is not valid - when it was hosted in Germany - it was not expected that everyone speak German - ask those who have been here that long.

You suggest they use a translator - yet you accepted the post of moderator - and the accompanying responsibility - maybe you should be the one doing the work?

This board has detailed rules (http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?act=boardrules), these do not dictate a language to be used - do they need updating??

FIBS is a global server and this an equally global board - can we not try to include - rather than exclude?
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: moonshadow on August 29, 2005, 04:00:45 AM
I find this all very amusing. Why is it so important the moderator understand every word of what is posted? If someone wants to yak in Dutch or German or French, especially on something technical in nature, I say go for it.

Of course, if what I've observed in the Fibs shouts is any indication what they might be saying, then it might be better left untranslated!

In Fibs shouts I have observed all manner of perverts, jingoists, racists and cretins spew forth their venomous invective and meaness on all within range. That is where some active 'moderating' needs to be done.  So in the context of the bigger Fibs picture, this little thing about speaking another langauge besides English in a post seems almost trivial, or dare I say humerous?

Its like worrying about a  little gnat buzzing around your nose so much that you fail to see the hordes of cockroaches running around your feet.

If something is said in a post in a 'foreign' langauge that is of earthshattering importance, I'm sure someone will be kind enought to put that into English.


Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: socksey on August 29, 2005, 04:33:14 AM
QuoteYou suggest they use a translator - yet you accepted the post of moderator - and the accompanying responsibility - maybe you should be the one doing the work?

I think I do quite enough work for Fibs by running various tournaments, and on Fibsboard as it is without having to translate every post made in another language as well.  Maybe you disagree with this.  Maybe you would like to take over my various jobs?

QuoteIn Fibs shouts I have observed all manner of perverts, jingoists, racists and cretins spew forth their venomous invective and meaness on all within range. That is where some active 'moderating' needs to be done.

That is because Fibs is not moderated.  Fibsboard is and that is why you don't see the filth here.  

socksey



"I'm all in favor of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters." - Frank Lloyd Wright (1868-1959)





Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: Tomawaky on August 29, 2005, 07:05:08 AM
Quote
was nothing against u... but all this time, u know, i was thinking tomawaky was american !!!! (and i really dont know why!)
so, can u now understand how happy i felt !!!!! :P
c u socksey i'll teach u french whenever u want
What  :rolleyes:
don't tell me that I speak english so well  :blink:

:smash: It's not possible

Socksey when will you give me my first english lesson ;-)  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: diane on August 29, 2005, 11:16:01 AM
QuoteI think I do quite enough work for Fibs by running various tournaments, and on Fibsboard as it is without having to translate every post made in another language as well.  Maybe you disagree with this.  Maybe you would like to take over my various jobs?
What I was actually saying - is if it is too much work, get help - there are many very trustworthy Fibsters who can ensure nothing untoward is being posted.
Taking on a responsibility - and then claiming to not have time to do it properly is no way to go about things.
I do as much as I can around a busy work schedule - which you all know.

It seems grossly unfair to me that a non english speaker cannot seek technical help from this resource - unless they can somehow get their request into a language you understand - when there are a mulitude of responsible, sensible people regularly here who speak a variety of languages.

Perhaps rather than teasing - they ought to be offering help?
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: dorbel on August 29, 2005, 12:14:24 PM
This intolerance of "foreign" languages really will not do. Clearly a Frenchman posting some technical stuff for another Frenchman is hardly likely to burst out with some intolerant filth or other! Loosen up socksey and save your energies for things that really matter.  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: socksey on August 29, 2005, 01:38:01 PM
QuoteClearly a Frenchman posting some technical stuff for another Frenchman is hardly likely to burst out with some intolerant filth or other!

Please don't try to tell me a Frenchman can't post anything unappropriate in any context.  I have lived too long to fall for that one.   :P

QuoteLoosen up socksey and save your energies for things that really matter.

You misunderstand.  Loose as a goose here.     ;)   Just trying to solve a problem that I don't have time for.  Anyone willing to help, talk to webrunner.

I request posting in English as well as what ever language anyone chooses to post in to make my job easier.  I will continue to do so.  If you refuse, that is your prerogative.   :tears:   The alternative is to send personal messages.  That is also your prerogative.    

socksey



"Money is good for bribing yourself through the inconveniences of life." - Gottfried Reinhardt




Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: diane on August 29, 2005, 02:42:00 PM
Spielberg has to be a great choice to help out here - how many languages is that guy fluent in??

Does anyone have any dirt on him we can use to get his 'cooperation' - what am I thinking - there must be loads...  ;)

Any chance of helping out with this Spiel??  Anyone else??
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: tanitoc on August 30, 2005, 07:21:36 AM
Quote
QuoteClearly a Frenchman posting some technical stuff for another Frenchman is hardly likely to burst out with some intolerant filth or other!

Please don't try to tell me a Frenchman can't post anything unappropriate in any context.  I have lived too long to fall for that one.   :P

:D
Right Socksey, and this is also true for frenchwoman, u know  ;)
And btw, Tomawaky, now you knwo how bad is my poor english!!!  :wacko:  
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: dicemaster on August 30, 2005, 09:50:39 AM
Not to beat a dead horse here, but I'd like to point out somethings,

1) English is the first language of the internet after binary.

2) Fibs is the first dedicated backgammon server on the internet. (all help and info is in english)

3) Maybe the Fibsboard needs a forum for other languages section mod by other language speakers.  This is just an idea that might meet the needs of fellow non english speaking backgammon players.

[size=8]Please note the poster refuses any responsibility for hurt feelings resulting in this exercise of freedom of speech[/size]
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: diane on August 30, 2005, 01:08:31 PM
Quote1) English is the first language of the internet after binary.


2) Fibs is the first dedicated backgammon server on the internet. (all help and info is in english)


3) Maybe the Fibsboard needs a forum for other languages section mod by other language speakers.  This is just an idea that might meet the needs of fellow non english speaking backgammon players.

[size=8]Please note the poster refuses any responsibility for hurt feelings resulting in this exercise of freedom of speech[/size]
1 - Sure, but I dont speak binary - yet I can use the internet....

2 - Actually it isnt now - much work has been done to get this into as many other languages as possible.  Click on the flags at the top of www.fibs.com - and the text is translated into a wide variety of languages. :D


3 - Separate forums for separate languages is a great idea - but I think it is a bit unwieldy - for instance - we need a sub forum javafibs (for questions about javafibs) do we then need to break that down into as many other cataegories as there are languages??? :wacko:

The best way is to increase the number of moderators to include those who can check non english posts and ensure the high standards of fibsboard are met.

and lastly...Hurt feelings are inevitable here  ;)
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: moonshadow on August 30, 2005, 03:30:01 PM
Quote
Fibsboard is not operated by an English owner, webrunner, but Fibs is, therefore, I feel the #1 language of Fibsboard should be English.

Secondly, webrunner has appointed me moderator, and as moderator, if I do not understand the language posted here, I cannot do my job. I have stated this many times previously here. Perhaps you missed it before.

This is a simplistic emotional argument based on the false premise that the moderator has to understand every single post in order to be doing their job.

Effective leaders know when to be flexible and when not to be, even making an exception to established rules when in their judgement the greater good of all is served.

Let's see some flexiblility! We've got enough politicians that pass the buck already.

This instance of posting in other langauges is an easy call:  let it be.

Why?

1. There have been very, very few postings in a langauge other than English.

2. The fear of perhaps uncensored "filth" being posted on the board in another langauge is a straw man argument--I haven't seen those who posted in a foreign langauge here spewing filth in the Fibs shouts, so why would they do so on this board?

3. I'm sure if something vile were posted in a foreign langauge, someone would notify in English the moderator.

The bottom line is that even though the moderator doesn't undestand every single word posted here doesn't mean they aren't doing their job. :blink:  

Sorry, socksey, but you will have to come up with something a little more convincing
:rolleyes:  

This is a good case of that song makes a lot of sense . . . . speaking words of wisdom. . . . . let it be.
Title: Is Fibs Down ?
Post by: webrunner on August 31, 2005, 12:09:29 AM
I thing we have a new language called Babbelfish ;)

On the language thing... i can recognize foul language in a lot of languages. And yes, i hope that other visitors warn me and/or socksey when they see something bad on the forum.

The problem is though: how can we verify that a reported post is indeed not suitable for this forum?

But then again.. Fibs was, is and always will be an international place, and since this forum is a spin-off of Fibs, this will be too.