Docking ~ 8000 rating points from bot-droppers was definitely a major step towards implementing the behavioural codes of FIBS. Thus all fisbters are pleasured to see that "
Bot droppers have gotten their come-uppance.". But is bot-dropping the only act that's illegal and forbidden in FIBS?!!
Whenever you log in to your FIBS account, you get this message:
This server is on the net to meet people from all countries.
All sorts of racists and fascists are not allowed to login here!
Rude language will not be tolerated on this server. Be nice. Well, may be my English is not good enought to recognize what's "racism" and what's "rude language". So I just thought it would be interesting to provide other fibsters with some facts about what's going on in pulic shouts and then ask them that whether they're the proof that FIBS is home to some really heinous racist and villain jerks or not.
1- First let start by Im_not_gimmeluck's shouts:
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Im_not_gimmeluck shouts: hide the animals the gaot fornicating
persian has returned
maria shouts: goats rule.
marcintustin shouts: Goats should be allowed to have
mansex if they want
Im_not_gimmeluck shouts: and they do....
erdbeere shouts: hallo, willkommen regina :)
Joyce shouts: hallo Manu:-)))
El_Stinko shouts: what's up with repbot..is he out drunk
again?
Im_not_gimmeluck shouts: the man-goat love society
contributes millions to the admenijad re-election
campaign
teyakis shouts: rossa !! :))
El_Stinko shouts: that's not surprising everyone knows
that Persians are a bunch of goat ####ers
Honeygirl_ll shouts: hi lews ;-))
Im_not_gimmeluck shouts: as long as the goats are not
gay goatsex is legal in iran
teyakis shouts: hiya lews ;))
lewscannon shouts: hi hg :
lewscannon shouts: hey teya :
The irony was that inim, the guy who always accuses others of racism and nazism, didn't say a single word to counter the openly racistic shouts of that jerk. And when I reminded him of this, he just told me that I should "defend" myself. How can one "defend" against racist shouts, other than what I'm doing right now? May be inim knows something beyond by imagination. If so, all fibsters would be delighted to know inim's counter-racism devices, but I hope that shouting another kind of racistic slogans, targetting the starter's ethnic roots will not be among them.
And now, let go for another episode, this time from NIHolympic :
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QuoteBot shouts: Men should not trust in God as if God
did all, and yet labor earnestly as is he himself did
all. -- Allan K. Chalmers
boomslang shouts: Hooooi Corien !
Tom shouts: anyone interested in 7 pts?
coriend shouts: heeee boom:)
mookie shouts: Tis the morning of our manifestation. Let
Love Rule!
johnwayne shouts: holy sh**
mookie shouts: john wayne! give me a big cody kiss!
johnwayne shouts: cody is history
johnwayne shouts: its catherine now
NIHolympic shouts: let stfu rule
mookie shouts: catherine??? that skanky ho?
johnwayne shouts: lol
mookie shouts: thanks, NiHo. I appreciate your support
DeaDice shouts: hail stfu........
mookie shouts: DEA. Dea dice and the Amorphous Brigade
of Love Minions!
NIHolympic shouts: when your moral compass strays,
and youre unsure what you should do next, just
stfu
mookie shouts: So, should Mindy McCready have STFU'd
about her affair with Roger Clemens?
johnwayne shouts: she's so full of sh**
mookie shouts: I think so, but I certainly would bow to
the sage advice of fibsters everywhere.
NIHolympic shouts: no, shes entitled to her 15 minutes
diane shouts: roger clemens - the IT guy at work?
mookie shouts: actually, wayne, she's not. she did an
enema before we hooked up.
mookie shouts: ooooo, i just grossed myself out.
mookie shouts: i hate when that happens.
johnwayne shouts: that is pretty sick dude
NIHolympic shouts: by contrast, rev wright shoulda stfu
after his 15 minutes were up
mookie shouts: Hi, Diane!
diane shouts: hellO mookie :-)
mookie shouts: what's fibs without some scatological humor?
NIHolympic shouts: rev right mighta cost obama the presidency
inim shouts: http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/30/roland.martin/index.html
mookie shouts: rev did cost obama the presidency
mookie shouts: Inim cost FIBS its sense of style and good
taste.
mookie shouts: <----stretchin' out in Bootsy's Rubber Band.
NIHolympic shouts: damned shame, i was kinda looking
forward to the irony of a negroid living in the white
house
mookie shouts: Is Resh Lakish, that wacky but astute trasgender
warrior, still among the living?
NIHolympic shouts: other than the butler, that is
mookie shouts:
mookie shouts:
NIHolympic shouts: the thought of riots at the dem convention
is uplifting though, last good one was 1968
NIHolympic shouts: the dems need mayor daley to re-energize
them
NIHolympic shouts: the real Hizzoner, not his pussy namesake
son
NIHolympic shouts: i wanna hear the crack of hardwood
on human skulls
johnwayne shouts: and indeed you shall
NIHolympic shouts: return to the days when REAL blacks
had only one mantra....................BURN,BABY,
BURN !!
NIHolympic shouts: #### barack obama, i want Eldridge
Cleaver and H Rap Brown as the dem ticket
NIHolympic shouts: huey newton as secy of defense
johnwayne shouts: going to eat, man im hungry
NIHolympic shouts: Leonard Peltier as secy of interior
NIHolympic shouts: Bobby Seale as atty general
shazam shouts: gag-o-rama
NIHolympic shouts: theres your ####ing dream team
IMO, there is only one reason that why we see jerks like Im_not_gimmeluck shouts openly racistic slogans in public: that they feel "secure". In other words, as there has been no warning or punishment from the adminstration, they don't bother abstaining from showing their sick personality to others and making the FIBS a snakepit.
Though I frankly applaud Patti for dedicating several hours a day to maintain FIBS as an unpaid job, yet I personally think that it's time to go for the next target to cleaning FIBS of trashes and garbages: "racists" and "villains", as it's officially stated.
Political Correctness has no place online, nor in this world!
Your feelings are YOUR responsibility, if something someone says hurts your feelings, YOU chose to let it.
Requiring protection from speach which YOU may choose to have hurt feelings by merely displays to the world YOUR weakness, do you really wantto stand up[ and whine, I'm weak :unhappy:
People believe however they believe, as long as they aren't inciting physical harm towards a person or group, GET OVER IT, take responsibility for YOUR feelings and don't be a baby (aka liberal). :blink:
yeah pl, ban racists and by the same time, ban those turkos, they're all droppers
I didn't knew Don had a persian brother separated at birth.
Welcome, PersianDon!
Quote from: Billwinkle on April 30, 2008, 06:04:06 PM
Political Correctness has no place online, nor in this world!
Your feelings are YOUR responsibility, if something someone says hurts your feelings, YOU chose to let it.
Requiring protection from speach which YOU may choose to have hurt feelings by merely displays to the world YOUR weakness, do you really wantto stand up[ and whine, I'm weak :unhappy:
People believe however they believe, as long as they aren't inciting physical harm towards a person or group, GET OVER IT, take responsibility for YOUR feelings and don't be a baby (aka liberal). :blink:
Yes, true.
But if so, it must be clearly stated that FIBS's adminstration doesn't care about racism and rude language. Then everybody can face jerks with his/her own ways.
Regards
Quote from: inim on April 30, 2008, 06:09:53 PM
I didn't knew Don had a persian brother separated at birth.
Welcome, PersianDon!
Firstly, "I didn't knew" is incorrect. So instead of mocking others because of their faults, try to improve your English.
Secondly, that would be my honor to be called Don's friend, so guess how much I'd be delighted to be called his brother. Don is a real gentleman and a respectable feagure in FIBS.
Thirdly, gagging you in FIBS doesn't mean that I like to start another episode of our personal dogfight here. We're done talking, so if you've any point related to this topic, post it like a gentleman, otherwise, be sure that you'll not read even a single word from me that might be remotely related to you.
Regards
Quote from: PersianLord on April 30, 2008, 05:55:31 PM
yet I personally think that it's time to go for the next target to cleaning FIBS of trashes and garbages: "racists" and "villains", as it's officially stated.
How do you propose that this happen? Please provide specific implementation details.
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 06:50:12 PM
How do you propose that this happen? Please provide specific implementation details.
Hi Patti and thanks for your attention.
Frankly speaking, I'm in no position to "provide specific implementation details", which should have been done long time ago, but as a novice fibster, I'd sugget that:
1- To provide a comprehensive "FIBS behavioural code" and make it public to all the fibsters and wannbe-fibsters via posting it at fibs.com
2- To appoint some of your reliable friends and experiendced fibsters as your "eyes and ears", as you seem to be often too busy maintaining the website and related stuff. These people will be responsible for gathering evidences, making files for the violators and then reporting to you. Also this can be done by asking fibsters to provide their evidences by posting them here at FIBSboard, though it might be a bit difficult.
3- To send a warning to those jerks who violate FIBS behavioural code
on a regular basis, and giving them ultimatum to stop being jerks.
and If they keep being racist or villain, after 3 warnings:
4- To delete their accounts.
This is what I think might work to make FIBS what it should be: a nice play to play BG and to have fun.
Regards
:sleep:
PL,
Are we still going to be allowed to express our feelings about "retards" not being allowed to breed? I find your views on the mentally ill as offensive as some of the racist views or humor I've seen.
And once I delete their accounts, they just create new ones and continue the same behavior. The status quo is maintained, but with a lot more effort involved.
PersianLord, I strongly suggest that you use gag and blind commands or even better, a client that has implemented permagag (i.e. you don't have to do a gag <player> each time you or <player> logs in). Some "history" about policeing fibs, if you have time to read http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.backgammon/search?group=rec.games.backgammon&q=gag+blind+offensive (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.backgammon/search?group=rec.games.backgammon&q=gag+blind+offensive). Or you may want to do a search there for any subjects related to earlier times of FIBS.
There was nothing really new in your post here PersianLord, sorry.
Quote from: jackdaddy on April 30, 2008, 08:03:37 PM
PL,
Are we still going to be allowed to express our feelings about "retards" not being allowed to breed? I find your views on the mentally ill as offensive as some of the racist views or humor I've seen.
jackdaddy!
You got it wrong. I NEVER promoted my stance on that subjetc in PULIC (=shouts). I just discussed with inim almost 40 days ago and we were discussing on some issues. Then inim, unfaily made our private chat public in order to raise enmity towards me, while I don't really believe in what inim would like you to think about me.
IMO, people must be regarded as long as they don't promote racism or use abusive language in PUBLIC. But everyone is free to have every opinion on every issue and to discusse it with other fibsters in private chats and/or messages. But in public, all must obey the laws and principles.
Regards
your laws and principles?
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 08:05:25 PM
And once I delete their accounts, they just create new ones and continue the same behavior. The status quo is maintained, but with a lot more effort involved.
I don't think so. Many of the racists and abusers value their virtual identity too much to let their accounts be deleted. Some of them so love to show off their ratings that they just log in and then go to their work or bed, others are so rude that people would nuke them if they log in with a new nick. So when you have a high rating with a 5 digit experience, you surely don't want to see your account deleted. I mean these people have built a "virtual identity" and based on that they act. They need to be known to be heard. Thus, I guess a single threat of deleting their accounts will make most of them behaving normal. A few of them may dare to create new accounts to keep abusing, but believe me that they will find it hard and eventually will give up. Besides, they are just a tiny miniroty of abusers in FIBS and their absence would not be a loss for the "first internet backgammon server" of the world.
Regards
PL
It wasn't Inim you were debating when I was watching. I don't save shouts, so I can't tell you who you were chatting with, but I distinctly remember you repeatedly using the term "retard" and expressing your view that it was humane to not let them breed.
Quote from: adrian on April 30, 2008, 08:29:55 PM
PersianLord, I strongly suggest that you use gag and blind commands or even better, a client that has implemented permagag (i.e. you don't have to do a gag <player> each time you or <player> logs in). Some "history" about policeing fibs, if you have time to read http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.backgammon/search?group=rec.games.backgammon&q=gag+blind+offensive (http://groups.google.com/group/rec.games.backgammon/search?group=rec.games.backgammon&q=gag+blind+offensive). Or you may want to do a search there for any subjects related to earlier times of FIBS.
There was nothing really new in your post here PersianLord, sorry.
Thank you adrian for the kind response.
But my dear friend, here I made a thread about a problem that is related to the the "whole" community of fibsters not just mine. I surely was insulted, but as you see, in the second quote, there was nothing about me and that guy just was shouting racistic slogans against the Black people.
Definitely I can gag and/or blind the abusers, but I just thought that it's the responsibility of the FIBS adminstration to implement the laws that has been clearly and officialy stated.
Regards
There's no way to do this practically anyway as her Pattiness makes abundantly clear. I'd argue it's not desirable either - let the fools shout their rubbish, they just show how stupid racists tend to be. (I've still not decided whether NIHI's racist, he playacts much of the time anyway, and may well not know himself).
To end on a happier note --- all praise Bob Marley. I grew up in a small English town and didn't even know a non-white till well into secondary school. At 13 I came across Marley's music and credit him for giving me the impetus to see how stupid racism is. I'd have recognised that anyway of course (you can't learn biology without realising humanity one species) but it would have been later.
Quote from: jackdaddy on April 30, 2008, 09:07:40 PM
PL
It wasn't Inim you were debating when I was watching. I don't save shouts, so I can't tell you who you were chatting with, but I distinctly remember you repeatedly using the term "retard" and expressing your view that it was humane to not let them breed.
It was dorbel, dear friend. After inim had succeeded in demonizing me, the day after that, drobel got rude to me and asked me to give my opinion and I tried to answe his questions. If you can provide a single shout from me that is "racistic" or "rude", I will give you all of my 150 NACCI points, lol.
PL, you're naive. Anyone who had their account deleted would just create a new one with a similar handle, pump their rating up, and go right back to where they were. I've dealt with similar situations many times, and I've never seen anyone go, "OK, you're right, I won't do that anymore", and then stick to it.
Besides, you haven't told me *how* you expect this all to happen.
Quote from: PersianLord on April 30, 2008, 09:13:45 PM
If you can provide a single shout from me that is "racistic" or "rude", I will give you all of my 150 NACCI points, lol.
PersianLord|retardeds must be sterilisated|Sat Apr 19 10:53:01 2008
PersianLord|every Turk is a potential dropper|Mon Apr 28 13:03:10 2008
Thanks Patti
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 09:13:57 PM
PL, you're naive. Anyone who had their account deleted would just create a new one with a similar handle, pump their rating up, and go right back to where they were. I've dealt with similar situations many times, and I've never seen anyone go, "OK, you're right, I won't do that anymore", and then stick to it.
Besides, you haven't told me *how* you expect this all to happen.
Again I claim that even threatening to deleting the accounts will make MOST of the abusers behave normally. Did you really do this at least once to see the results? Apart from rating, "experience" and "reputation" are also factors that almost all of fibsters care about them. And these are not be achieved within one night, they need months and years. So when you delete the account of an abuser, s/he will be forced to toil for a long period of time to build an identity with high experience and high reputation, and perhaps high rating, to be heard and to get attention by the fibs community. Here the wiser abusers will choose not to be rude anymore and the dumber ones will get punished for their immoral behaviour. Thus and from then on, at least there will be some serious "risk" for being rude and as said that will be enough to make MOST of the known abusers abstaining from their heinous acts.
And honestly speaking, if you really can't do anything about this issue, then I think moral principles rule that you should erase those warnings and statements and inform the wannbe-fibsters that there will no punishment for being racist or rude, so those who care about such things might be able to choose whether they want to be in such an environment or not. This is perhaps the most suitable solution I guess.
Regards
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 09:17:25 PM
PersianLord|retardeds must be sterilisated|Sat Apr 19 10:53:01 2008
PersianLord|every Turk is a potential dropper|Mon Apr 28 13:03:10 2008
The first shout is not racistic nor rude, other than you claim that retarded people are a race or an ethnic group.
The second one is not racistic as well. I ask you to quote my other shouts regarding Turks as well. I remember that I said :
"Turks are definitely a lovely and kind people". Didn't I? so please post them here for the sake of honesty.
Regards
Some of my best friends are Turks
Quote from: PersianLord on April 30, 2008, 10:53:50 PM
Again I claim that even threatening to deleting the accounts will make MOST of the abusers behave normally. Did you really do this at least once to see the results?
Many, many times. I've even deleted such accounts multiple times.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you propose to enforce this. Am I supposed to be on FIBS 24/7 reading every piece of chat?
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 11:00:14 PM
Many, many times. I've even deleted such accounts multiple times.
I'm still waiting for you to tell me how you propose to enforce this. Am I supposed to be on FIBS 24/7 reading every piece of chat?
So what about the white elephant? NIHolympic has been insulting almost EVERY fibster, perhaps exept for HG, for years and still enjoys the freedom to keep insulting and shouting racistic trash. I doubt that any other fibster in history of fibs been more abusive and rude then this guy.This single case proves that the laws have not been enforced.
And I told "how". Just appoint some of your reliable friends to form a "law enforcement committe" and they'll provide you with enough data to decide. Surely there are some volunteers to do this job.
Regards
And NIHI is a prime example of someone who had his account deleted for being a jerk, and it didn't stop him.
Do you really think that having a FIBS "language police force" is a good thing? If nothing else, anyone who is actually qualified to do the job would be unwilling to take it. Besides, that would still require me to review a bunch of stuff and take useless actions.
If you doubt that any FIBSter has been more abusive and rude than Bob, you've never met TomServo. On a scale of one to ten, Bob's about a three. TomServo was a 27. It was because of him that I nearly banned all of AOL some years ago.
1th if anyone does rude in shout, i would not give attention to it in shouts.
2th if the words come closer in Tells i would ignore........ Gag & Blind.
Oh yeah, and even many years later TomServo occasionally creates a new account. I have automatic notification in place (don't ask me how... I just do) and delete it promptly.
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 11:18:29 PM
Do you really think that having a FIBS "language police force" is a good thing?
If you ask MY opinion, definitely yes.
QuoteAnd honestly speaking, if you really can't do anything about this issue, then I think moral principles rule that you should erase those warnings and statements and inform the wannbe-fibsters that there will no punishment for being racist or rude, so those who care about such things might be able to choose whether they want to be in such an environment or not. This is perhaps the most suitable solution I guess.
Hear, hear.
For as long as I've been coming here I've been reading that server message about intolerance of racists and abusers. It gives a negative impression of the administration to see how those fine words are empty and worthless, month after month, year after year. To rub it in, those words are out there in the greater Internet as Fibs words yet "All sorts of racists and fascists are not allowed to login here! Rude language will not be tolerated on this server. " is actually a lie, or, if that's too strong, a false promise at best.
Doing what you say you'll do would be great. Not promising what you won't or can't do, that works too. It'll do nothing for the atmosphere in shouits but at least it won't make the site administration look [insert your choice of several appropriate negatives].
For the record, I did not write those words. I inherited them from the author of FIBS.
PersianLord, if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you. I'm not much of an advocate for censorship, and I can guarantee you that the language police force will never exist.
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 11:59:39 PM
For the record, I did not write those words. I inherited them from the author of FIBS.
Yes, I understand that now but, amazingly, newbies who join Fibs may not realise for the longest time that "Patti" and "Fibs" are synonymous in some ways. I certainly didn't and I often used to wonder who this Patti was whose name kept cropping up (eg. rec.games.backgammon) because it was always taken for granted that people knew who you were! ;)
Quote from: Patti on April 30, 2008, 11:59:39 PM
For the record, I did not write those words. I inherited them from the author of FIBS.
PersianLord, if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you. I'm not much of an advocate for censorship, and I can guarantee you that the language police force will never exist.
I think that "inhertiance" was very valuable and honorable , alas it was not recognized and respected. And what would have you said, if you were Marvin?
You asked MY opinion and I told it. It's very sad to see that adminstrator of a server asking the members to leave because she can't implement the most basic and globally accpeted behavioural laws and principles that are also clearly stated and announced to be implemented. Your words, Patti, also mean that from now on, every fibster is allowed to use any kind of language s/he wants, whether it be racistic, fascistic or rude. I hope this will not result in worsening the already decadent situation of public shouts.
Regards
(a) I'm not asking you to leave. I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.
(b) What you're asking for is absolutely not a basic and globally accepted behavioral law.
(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want. It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.
(d) FIBS gives you the tools to customize your experience of the environment. Gag is your friend. Be proactive and take control of your own experience rather than complaining that someone else isn't maintaining it the way you want.
Quote(a) I'm not asking you to leave. I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.
That's really a bit of spin on that sentiment. It's a suggestion that says "I don't care but if you go away it will get you out of my hair". It's an attitude that is often seen when someone expresses a desire for some change. When it comes from the site management it's rather disappointing. But even though that's rarer it's still all too common. Then again, maybe when I'm site manager somewhere I'll get to use that line and see it from the other side. lol
Quote(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want. It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.
Uh-uh, not Persian Lord's. It means that the proclaimed
Fibs high standards will not be met. And that means that any language at all is effectively permitted, something which can readily be verified by listening in to shouts.
I said "if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you."
An intelligent person would parse that as, "FIBS is not a language-sanitized playground. If you're looking for a place that is language-sanitized, FIBS isn't what you're looking for." If FIBS doesn't make you happy, then you should probably look for a different server because FIBS isn't going to change to accommodate your desires.
FIBS is what it is... some good, some bad. Some people love it that way, and others find that it's not really their cup of tea.
I've rather patiently explained to you that what you're asking for (a) is quite a lot of work for me, and (b) will not be successful. You don't seem to want to believe either of those things. As far as I can tell, you have two months of experience as a FIBS user. I'm telling you from my 15 years as a user and 12 as admin that you're asking me to do a LOT of work that will have no appreciable effect. Why won't you believe me?
Quote from: Patti on May 01, 2008, 12:34:50 AM
(a) I'm not asking you to leave. I'm telling you the way it's always been and the way it will continue to be, and suggesting that if you aren't happy that you might look for another place that will make you happier.
(b) What you're asking for is absolutely not a basic and globally accepted behavioral law.
(c) It does not mean that anybody can use any language they want. It means that your high standards for enforcement will not be met.
(d) FIBS gives you the tools to customize your experience of the environment. Gag is your friend. Be proactive and take control of your own experience rather than complaining that someone else isn't maintaining it the way you want.
OK, Patti. Thanks.
I'm done posting.
Regards
One question Patti:
You manage to ban a whole country based on IP addresses, can't you ban one user's IP address when you delete someone's account?
Also a swearing filter (optional, toggle or or of) might be a solution.
I do find it offensive the language that is sometimes shouted, especially because there are often children online.
Quote from: Patti on May 01, 2008, 01:04:28 AM
I said "if you're looking for a language-sanitized playground then perhaps FIBS isn't the place for you."
An intelligent person would parse that as, "FIBS is not a language-sanitized playground. If you're looking for a place that is language-sanitized, FIBS isn't what you're looking for." If FIBS doesn't make you happy, then you should probably look for a different server because FIBS isn't going to change to accommodate your desires.
lol. Actually an intelligent person wondered why you equated wanting an improvement in one area of the site to being unhappy enough to warrant leaving the site altogether. There's a huge gulf between "Shouts are an unpleasant experience and here's my two cents on the matter" and "Fibs is a place that I can't enjoy so I'm outta here"! That's why I am disappointed when I see any form of "there's the door, you know how to use it" response. It comes across the wrong way to dumb folks and propellerheads alike when you mention not being here as a solution.
Actually my own solution to the shouts room is a variation of the door one. I don't tend to open it and go in there unless I'm playing someone who's taking 20 seconds per move. :)
It's actually easier to cast a wide net and ban a country than it is to target an individual. It's situational, but that's generally the case.
I would be massively opposed to having a profanity filter built into FIBS... it offends my sensibilities. If a client wanted to do that, I'd be less bothered.
Q: Wanna know what the best point of freedom of speech in combination with Unicode is?
A: One can shout "Homosexuality" in Farsi, همجنسگرایی
Quote from: inim on May 01, 2008, 06:23:15 PM
Q: Wanna know what the best point of freedom of speech in combination with Unicode is?
A: One can shout "Homosexuality" in Farsi, همجنسگرایی
I really ask moderators to delete inim's nonsense as it's not even remotely related to this thread. It seems that inim has such severe psychological problems that makes him pee in the every discussion that doesn't go his desired way.
Once he tried to pee in my thread on MGC and when he was faced with a humiliating evidence, he regretted and apologized to me and moderators in a lengthy PM. I don't know why he can't take lesson from his shameful past, but I hope he will not make a fool of himself as usual.
Regards
I really hope that Patti will not get upset, but it seems that my proposal to form a "Law Enforcement Committee" was actually initiated long ago with an intelligent plan. Just type "help erase" in the server and you will get:
Quote
NAME
erase - How and why accounts are erased
DESCRIPTION
I'm very sorry that this is necessary, but I can't wait any longer:
There have been problems with users of the backgammon server complaining
about other players. Complaints were about cheating and about insulting
other users. It's not possible for me to verify if those incidents did
really happen, because I'm not logged in all the time, because people tend
to behave well as soon as I'm logged in and because listening to all
players involved (which I tried) uses up a lot of the time I can use for
maintaining and improving the server. Therefore I have asked a couple of
players to report those incidents. Those players are users of this server
for several months and I know that I can rely on what they tell me. If
those players keep telling me that someone is misusing the server I will
erase the account in question without discussing about it. I know this
may not always be the ideal way to solve the problems, but I don't see any
other way to deal with them.
REMARKS
Don't complain if it happens to you - it's not my decision. No, I won't
tell who the players are whom I asked to keep their eyes open. I won't
answer the insulting emails I'll get. I won't listen to complaints about
other players by other players than the ones I asked to complain.
Just thought that this might be interesting to share.
Regards
Give it up, PerisanLord. I'm not creating a FIBS Language Police Force, period, full stop.
Quote from: Patti on May 01, 2008, 11:32:55 PM
Give it up, PerisanLord. I'm not creating a FIBS Language Police Force, period, full stop.
Well, thank god you didn't get upset. ;)
I didn't ask anything in my last post, as I had stopped hoping to see implementing the FIBS behavioural norms last night when I wrote my last post here. I just posted the result for "erase" command to show that not only my proposal was not based on a childish, or "naive", imagination, but it was actually an intelligent and well-calculated plan for keeping jerks out of FIBS. You surely can declare that you dislike the idea and we all will respect your opinion, but calling me "naive" because of my proposal was unfair and with my previous post, this was clearly proved. Nevertheles, I admit that such an idea may be very hard to achieve.
And OK, Patti. CASE CLOSED.
Regards
Let's don't revert to personal insults here. Not allowed on fibsboard and I don't like spending the time to delete them and send explanations, so stay on a rational discussion mode and try to learn something here, OK?
socksey
Barnum was wrong (A fool is born every minute) - it's more like every 30 seconds. - unknown
hear hear sox :cool:
:ban:I have thought long and hard over this subject. Racism is one of the worst faults of mankind, and i fight it whenever and wherever i can. I have written about it many times. I even pushed my motorcycle a half a mile once rather than buy gas at a place where i knew the owner of the station was a racist.
But i think as someone said, Nih may not be or may not know if he is a racist, and believe that he says things to get people riled up and going off. I abhor all the racist terms as well, as they do promote the negative stereotypes. I used to think i wanted some sort of censorship in that here, but have learned to ignore what i do not want to read, as there often are things i do want to read from many of the people who do offend at times. Also i would rather know who IS racist, up front, as i can then choose not to play them or have telled conversations. Although i do have friends who are racist, i do not permit usage of that sort of terminology nor allow the jokes. There is always gag if i cannot otherwise tune it out.
In any case, i think that some of those who shout ugly things need a place they can vent in ways they cannot in their real life. If this satisfies a need, without doing actual harm in the world, then let it be. And some just want attention, and so say things to get it, myself included, at times. :blush: I have seen other game sites where there is censorship, sometimes over some fairly innocent comment, and i prefer the freedom here.
One way to "censor" racist and other unwelcome remarks is to not respond to them, not play them, gag them until they leave or stop. We did that with stewy. Anyway, official censorship is the first step toward tyranny. We would not want it in our government, so why have it here.
:shakehands:
i ignored this thread until miss posted the link yesterday because of cowardice
ignoring, gagging, blinding
yes its a way
many people did in the past
i do not gag anybody.
sooo
i can recognize more shouts sort of pl showed us since the greetingmessage is exchanged
and
i think, this message helped.
you know what i mean?
(... i mean you!)