Hello all,
I think about making a team league because other team tourneys have disappear and I think much players like to play that way. I wonder if some would be interested ?
I think about 2 formulas. Country Team with league qualification for each country to select the best players who will play for their nations. It would be in memory of the first and only bagolympic team which has seen the victory of France :cool:
Or Team League in the spirit of what is done for the league with up and down for each session.
Last but not the least, I want to see motivation of the players in that topic to create such event. I don't want to work on it if there is no one interested.
Thanks for your answers or comments on that subject.
Tomawaky always at Fibs :yes:
Greetings Frank!
Frankly speaking, I would do my best to help you out in this exciting endeavor and I am sure there are many other fibsroids who will be thrilled hearing that a kinda TL is back. I never experienced the great joy of TL and am extremely eager now to participate in that.
As for the format, I think a bagolympic-style league is NOT the most suitable format, because there are many fibsroids who hardly can find competent compatriots to make a team. Thus, my suggestion is to run it like TL sessions. Also I suggest each team consisting of 4 players, so we can have draws as well. This way it would be more fun I think.
Regards
I also suggest to send an official e-mail from your FLG address to all those friends playing at FLG and informing them of the coming TL. I bet at least half of them will be interested.
Regards
Hi Franck,
I would be interested in playing in this new team league you are thinking of starting. I do not favor the bagolympic style because that by definition means that some people who want to play would be left out.
-Myshkin
Would be great to have a new Team League Tourney! :cool: Please Tomawaky, start one. I will join a team as the player who plays 5 pointers, I don't have time for more :happy: Either 3 , or 4 team members is ok, maybe if there are four will make it more interesting! Just pls don't make the sessions longer than, hmmmmmm, 30 days?
:applaus:
3 answers is a good start but not enough
I have worked on Team pages to manage league for another tourney and I think it would be easy to use it for a fibs Team League.
Format are as below
Team of 3 players
Matchs between all the players => 9 matches
Length = 5 Pts
We can change but I think it's quiete good...
I'm in and if a newbie can respond, that shows you something. B)
DavidF
The team tournament that I ran did get players to form into national teams and with a bit of re-arranging we got 16 teams, including a Rest of the World team, Team Europe and USA "A" and "B". It was very much enjoyed by all, except possibly by the late Anakin who had to be disqualified for cheating (!) and Biggles who had to be excluded for failing to embrace the sporting and friendly ethos that we sought. Teams were selected by getting all interested players to vote for the players who they wanted on the team. It took a bit of work, but was almost as much fun as the actual play. There was then a league format (four leagues of four teams each) with the top two teams from each going forward to a knock out stage. A strong team from Finland crushed Great Britain in the final.
Anyway, best of luck with whatever you decide to do.
Dorbel, that was a good tourament imo. I have only one problem , if there would be national teams: There are very few romanians who have the time/will to join it. Maybe me and another , about the third or fourth team member I am unsure.
Tomawaky, I think if you "spam" a little every day on fibs shouts about your (very welcome) idea, we will have more than 15 teams ready to play! :thumbsup2:
I agree with ardian. Some fibsroids might well be unable of finding competent compatriots and playing for a "rest of the world" team is also discouraging to many, including me. Thus, let it run like the previous TL sessions and let the fibs nation choose their teammates.
And yes, Frank, we need more advertising. I suggested to mass mail the players of FLG, adrian came up with spamming in shouts. You might think of a better idea. But I do think there are MANY fibsroids, eager to join this new TL and MOST of them unaware of this topic, yet.
Regards
I have to say, that dorbels tourney was the best, that I've participated so far (not only 'cause we won ;)). The feeling in that tourney was really good the whole time. Rooting for your teammates is whole lot stronger when your mates are from the same country.
I think, that another national team tourney would be good at this time. We have played a lot of normal team tourneys lately, so maybe there is a time and place for it now!?
hi TL was good and our team would i think play again, if you can all put up with administrative hiccups. I thought souptree's site was great and the format was nearly right last time. If there was a good takeup - there could be eventually 2 leagues, and like tom's league if each team got a point for playing then there would be an incentive to play all matches
I'm not too bothered about the country thing; i certainly had no problems rooting for my team mates who weren't from my country! Some of us have reservations about "flags"(except the jolly roger) and the usual nonsense they encourage. Towns & counties -- ok
c'mon Liverpool c'mon Lancashire!
Ok I will work on it and let you know when it would be ready to start it.
I think that I am ready now :thumbsup2:
http://www.fibsboard.com/fibsleagammon/first-flg-team-league-t2082.0.html;msg15776;topicseen#new (http://www.fibsboard.com/fibsleagammon/first-flg-team-league-t2082.0.html;msg15776;topicseen#new)
I like the 3x3 /5ptr. proposal for Team league !
You all shuld look and perhaps comment about the rules posted at : http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/TEAMRules.htm (http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/TEAMRules.htm)
You can add comment or team composition here at FB or in comment at the News (http://fibsleagammon.blogspot.com/2008/11/first-flg-team-league.html)
I love the new format where every teammember plays every other teammember.
GO team Jewfucks!
i'm not sure about the new 3x3x5 format .. in the last Team League we had seventeen (17) teams with 9/7/5 point match positions resulting in 16 matches for each player by position .. if we had a similar number of teams with a 3x3x5 format the result would be 48 matches to complete the season for each player .. that just seems like way too many as it was a challenge completing only 16 .. of course, 17 teams could argueably be divided into two divisions reducing the total match count to 21 and 24 which is more reasonable, but changes the nature of the race .. in short, i really liked the old 9/7/5 match format, but i am open to an experiment with a different format and excited about the prospects of another FIBS Team League
on the subject of team names, spiel, while i find your team name humorous because i know you guys, i also find it somewhat offensive and outside the small circle of friends at FIBS even embarrassing .. i mean, drop the "s" and ask yourself how long it would take Patti to nuke a new nickname like that at FIBS? not long, imo, and Patti is no prude nor am i .. but i come from the perspective of having a grandson i'd like to introduce to FIBS someday .. so, i am torn between a desire for a PG-13 filter and the already XXX and uncontrollable content of shouts .. adding team names easily misconstrued as racist slurs, no matter how humorous, is treacherous ground, imo
I thought the teams should have had some sort of even distribution/parameter of ratings in the past, so that a high rated team would not automatically run off with the championship. Maybe a certain span allowable in each sub-division within a team, i.e., player 1 1500-1600, player 2 1601-1700, player 3 1701-1800 at the time of sign-up, to prevent some sort of ratings cheating going on. I also think these ratings should be based on Fibs ratings and not Fibsleagammon ratings.
socksey
"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin." - Mark Twain
Not for the first session but for the others we can think about a master Division and a Gold division in the same spirit of the individual league.
I run the 3*3*5pts Matche for a competition of the French federation of backgammon that I held on my site (http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/FFBG/) and this format is very interesting I think.
Another question in my mind.
Must I accept more than 3 players in a team.
If this is 3 only, then everybody will meet everybody else in the other team
If this is more (4 or 5 ..) the Team match is complete when we reach 9 single matches whatever who play, but a player will not be able to play with another, more than once in a session.
Quote from: socksey on November 18, 2008, 12:05:33 AM
I thought the teams should have had some sort of even distribution/parameter of ratings in the past, so that a high rated team would not automatically run off with the championship. Maybe a certain span allowable in each sub-division within a team, i.e., player 1 1500-1600, player 2 1601-1700, player 3 1701-1800 at the time of sign-up, to prevent some sort of ratings cheating going on. I also think these ratings should be based on Fibs ratings and not Fibsleagammon ratings.
socksey
"The only difference between a tax man and a taxidermist is that the taxidermist leaves the skin." - Mark Twain
Hi Socksey :thumbsup:
This is exactly what I had in mind for weeks. Honestly I was about to post this last night, but I got engaged in a hot debate with inim and when that fruitless debate ended, I was dead tierd to post my suggestions.
I think this is a very rational suggestion. IMO, all of the tourneys and leagues are for fun & learning. Thus, if a team consists of players of various strenghts, the weaker will learn from the stronger and the stronger will have the pleasure of helping his/her teammate out and being a kinda tutor.
If there is no categorization based on rating, then I guess a given +1800 player will hardly accept a -1700 player in his/her team and will go for another player of his rank and this will end up having very strong teams versus very weak teams. Not much fun IMO.
Thus, I suggest recruiting formula based on a rating categorization.
I also think that sixty's point about the very time-consuming format of 3X3X5 makes sense. My suggestion is to have 4 players in each team, but each player to play against one of the players of other teams, not all of them, like the previous leagues. Match formats: 3/5/7/9.
To sum up:
1- Each team consists of 4 players
2- Each team should have 4 players from 4 different rating categories, i.e., one from the -1500 category to play the 3-pt matches, one from the 1500-1650 category to play the 5-pt matches, one from the 1650-1800 category to play the 7-pt matches and one from the +1800 category to play the 9-pt matches.
3- Since now a draw is possible, the rewards for results:
- 3 points for each win
- 2 points for each draw
- 1 point for each loss
I know my suggestion may seem a bit far-fetched, but I think a truely friendly sphere will be made using them :blush:
And again, thank you Frank for the time & enery you devoted to commence this project and good luck with whatever plan you put to work :thumbsup:
PS:
Another suggestion for rating categorization is to specify a range for the average rating of each team. For example, we can agree to make it 1600-1650. Thus, the average rating of each team should fall within this range, not higher, not lower.
Regards
I MUCH prefer the new "play all other team's members" so I'd vote for 3*3 , 5pts, and wouldn't allow more than three members in a team either, as this will lead to squabbling about which matches are TeamLeague ones.
Let's keep it simple also (know the KISS acronym anyone?) with no rules on ratings restrictions for team members - I see no need at all for such a rule.
GO Team Jewfucks! (subject to confirmation).
I like PersianLord's thoughtful suggestion and extention on socksey's idea, but agree with Steve to Keep It Stupid Spielburg, err - Simple Stupid ;)
Maybe we can experiment with different formats in the future. I'm for backing Tomawaky in whatever he thinks will work for the next TL season.
I am also for Keep It Simple principle, at least for the first session. Rather we have to concentrate for some advertising to attract all players who want to play. 3x3 5pts looks fine for me. Most players looking for some quick action on FIBS server and these 5 pointers could be nice answer. At first it almost guarantee to avoid droppers and add some more seriousness and excitement to match. Such competition must not be time consuming and with complicated rules, IMHO.
FibsLeaGammon have all infrastructure to host such tourney. Kudos to Tomawaky!! And thank you very much! FIBS League runs by souptree was great and miss a lot on our BG site so such new team league will accomplish such a big whole. So everybody, please don't complicate with rules and other things, just find your teams and start new team league. Everything else could be changed in future. I will play definitely.
Ok great ! :cool:
So I wait for the first team who will subscribe. :s10: :eager: :jump: :veryhappy: :s49:
yes i agree - well done and thx - we will attempt to resurrect schigstogsedat
I like 3 x 3 all 5 pointers.
I dont think that we need worry too much about trying to even out teams for skill by rating. It will make assembling a team quite hard and won't, IMO, improve the league.
I think that we need to sort out, BEFORE the kick-off, the contentious points that led to so much acrimony in the last team league. If we follow Fibs league rules then there should be no problems. I didn't like the "completion bonus".
I thought however that the innovation of play-offs, even though they didn't happen in the end, was a good one. Perhaps Franck can design this in when we know how many teams there will be. Two divisions if there are enough teams, with the top two teams in each division going into the play-offs should work well, just as it does in Fibsleague.
I wish this venture all the best.
It's exactly what we do for the French Championship online (http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/FFBG/) and everybody find it great :thumbsup2:
Maybe if everyone could read French! :lol:
socksey
"Don't people know that they don't have to heckle the president of the United States? That's what Congress is for." - Bob Hope
schigstogsedat are defending their crown
hi - only 3matches vs each team
each player plays every other player ie/ vs another team we play 9 matches between us;) ie each plays 3 matches against each of the other team - all 5 point matches
:)
Welcome to the First Team.
You can see the list here (http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/TEAMListeEquipes.php)
:cripple: All team accepted
:grouphug: Friends
:geige: Others
:s35: Chaters
:shakehands: in good Spirit
:devil: or Not
:beerdrinkers: For the Fun
:nr1: or seriously
But ..... DO NOT STAY ALONE :cry2: FIND :help: Your TEAM and don't be afraid :s38:
way :cool: invitation, Tomawaky
you covered all the bases with that one :thumbsup2: and :lol:
I'm proud to announce the arrival of team Jewfucks who are kid_pantyhose, resh_lakish and me. You're unlikely to be reading this if you're a newbie but it will give me a web page to explain our name to the naive.
Please note team Jewfucks are all Jewish and are born to kibbitz with chutzpah.
Tomawaky what is happening about avatars for the team / players ? (If you think our name's offensive wait for the pictures!)
i find it offensive, and unless you withdraw the word Jew, i certainly will not be entering.
OK OK --- our name will be "27 f-u's and achoo"
Gesundheit, spiel :'(
I am even prouder to announce the formation of team gooo who are:
Im_not_gimmeluck
resh_lakish
spielberg
Containing KNOWN liberals on both US coasts and a Brit who thinks he's European team gooo are here to mess with your minds (and lose with dignity).
Go team goooo
PS spoof me out of that one adz
Quote from: spielberg on November 24, 2008, 09:54:43 AM
spoof me out of that one
:lol: here's to the politically correct
goooboys from a Texas goyboy :beerdrinkers:
So The first Team League tournament will start the First January 2009.
Last registration here or by email (to me) => 28 december 2009
The session will run for 2 months