In this topic, we whiners are going to post positions where either we've gotten an extremely unlucky roll or our damned opponents have gotten an extremely lucky one. After a week, we may run a poll to decide which of us whiners was the unluckiest and has creditd to be called the 'whiner of the week' title.
By taking part in this topic, we're NOT going to claim that FIBS dices are rigged or a software is monitoring the matches or so on. We just want to share our miseries here as a means of consolation.
Regards
Well, let's begin it myself as I'm a great whiner. :thumbsup:
This position is taken from my 2-pt match against resh_lakish. As you see, I had hit 4 of his men and considering my 5-pt board, I should have had no problem winning this match. According to GNUBG, my equity and MWC/GWC was:
Eq.: +0.835
91.8% 79.1% 14.1% - 8.2% 1.8% 0.1%
And guess what happened? resh rolled a 5-5 and went on to claim the victory:
(http://bp1.blogger.com/_nvjbHZxa_5Y/SEnEDSKdLJI/AAAAAAAAADA/13-ozkFmpO4/s400/PL-VS-resh.png)
Position ID: 22YJAQZ2NgYAeA, Match ID: AoFWAAAAAAAA
how do you explain the cube being at 4 in a 2 point game?
Quote from: Josephus on June 07, 2008, 12:37:58 AM
how do you explain the cube being at 4 in a 2 point game?
Well you had not toggled crawford and I noticed that and re-doubled to make even more fun. ;)
:lol: Truely worthy of a great whine! :lol:
socksey
"I not only use all the brains that I have, but all that I can borrow." - Woodrow Wilson
Quote from: socksey on June 07, 2008, 04:17:56 PM
:lol: Truely worthy of a great whine! :lol:
socksey
"I not only use all the brains that I have, but all that I can borrow." - Woodrow Wilson
:unhappy:
I really don't know why I've been extremely unlucky recently. This is yet another weired position, taken from my match against cowgirl in the today's tourney of Bloody Marry:
(http://bp0.blogger.com/_nvjbHZxa_5Y/SEwb3zC3VFI/AAAAAAAAADI/7GF1lxSiA4I/s400/PL-VS-cowgirl.png)
2-2 was THE ONLY roll with which I couldn't have bear-off. And I got it! :(
Position ID: YgAAQAYAAAAAAA, Match ID: QglpAAAAAAAA
GNUBG's analysis of the match:
cowgirl You
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total) -0.617 ( -8.024%) -0.193 ( -5.268%)
Error rate (per decision) -30.9 ( -0.401%) -9.6 ( -0.263%)
Equiv. Snowie error rate -15.1 -4.7
Overall rating Beginner Advanced
Actual result +50.00% -50.00%
Luck adjusted result +1.64% -1.64%
Luck based FIBS rating diff. +40492.09
Error based abs. FIBS rating 1602.1 1913.1
Chequerplay errors rating loss 366.4 109.7
Cube errors rating loss 81.5 27.1
Or 4-2, so 1 in 12 rolls. ;)
Quote from: PersianLord on June 08, 2008, 06:56:41 PM
I really don't know why I've been extremely unlucky recently. This is yet another weired position, taken from my match against cowgirl in the today's tourney of Bloody Marry:
(http://bp0.blogger.com/_nvjbHZxa_5Y/SEwb3zC3VFI/AAAAAAAAADI/7GF1lxSiA4I/s400/PL-VS-cowgirl.png)
2-2 was THE ONLY roll with which I couldn't have bear-off. And I got it! :(
Position ID: YgAAQAYAAAAAAA, Match ID: QglpAAAAAAAA
GNUBG's analysis of the match:
cowgirl You
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total) -0.617 ( -8.024%) -0.193 ( -5.268%)
Error rate (per decision) -30.9 ( -0.401%) -9.6 ( -0.263%)
Equiv. Snowie error rate -15.1 -4.7
Overall rating Beginner Advanced
Actual result +50.00% -50.00%
Luck adjusted result +1.64% -1.64%
Luck based FIBS rating diff. +40492.09
Error based abs. FIBS rating 1602.1 1913.1
Chequerplay errors rating loss 366.4 109.7
Cube errors rating loss 81.5 27.1
You should know better than to get roped by cowgirl
Yet another damned lucky roll for my opponent when I was the clear favorite to win. This position is taken from my 3-pt match against iamtheneal:
(http://bp0.blogger.com/_nvjbHZxa_5Y/SE-LjLH7QiI/AAAAAAAAADQ/LBAZVueCwSo/s400/pl-vs-iamtheneal.png)
uM1mBgB36wBgEA , AoF2AAAAAAAA
Match statistics:
iamtheneal You
Overall Statistics:
Error rate (total) -0.783 (-18.409%) -0.089 ( -2.978%)
Error rate (per decision) -41.2 ( -0.969%) -3.9 ( -0.129%)
Equiv. Snowie error rate -19.1 -2.2
Overall rating Awful! World class
Actual result +50.00% -50.00%
Luck adjusted result +2.03% -2.03%
Luck based FIBS rating diff. +32757.14
Error based abs. FIBS rating 1305.2 2004.1
Chequerplay errors rating loss 717.3 40.8
Cube errors rating loss 27.6 5.1
Luck statistics:
iamtheneal You
Luck Statistics:
Rolls marked very lucky 1 1
Rolls marked lucky 1 1
Rolls unmarked 19 15
Rolls marked unlucky 0 3
Rolls marked very unlucky 0 0
Luck rate (total) +1.064 (+43.471%) -0.161 ( -4.501%)
Luck rate (per move) +50.7 ( +2.070%) -8.0 ( -0.225%)
Luck rating Good dice, man! None
Hi PL,
your opponents winning chances before his 55 roll were still above 30%. Winning that match when having more than 30% winning chances IMHO does not justify whining. I'd start to whine when my oppoents wins with less than 5%.
Hardy B)
Quote from: Hardy_whv on June 14, 2008, 01:19:27 PM
Hi PL,
your opponents winning chances before his 55 roll were still above 30%. Winning that match when having more than 30% winning chances IMHO does not justify whining. I'd start to whine when my oppoents wins with less than 5%.
Hardy B)
I don't mind what was the winning chances of my opponent, he just got a very lucky roll and I thought it deserves to be posted here. And as the GNUBG's analysis clearly shows, my opp was way lucky which helped him win the match.
regards
we all get very lucky rolls.
i agree with hardy's statement about a 5% limit for this topic :)
You bots, you! Don't you know that whiners neither know nor care about percentages!? More accurately, a whine-worthy event is subjective. Never mind that the opponent could have won 30% of the games in a longer span of moves, the point about PersianLord's position is that the swing was large and sudden with a corresponding feeling of dismay at seeing the intended victims escape. ;)
Quote from: playBunny on June 18, 2008, 08:59:19 PM
You bots, you! Don't you know that whiners neither know nor care about percentages!? More accurately, a whine-worthy event is subjective. Never mind that the opponent could have won 30% of the games in a longer span of moves, the point about PersianLord's position is that the swing was large and sudden with a corresponding feeling of dismay at seeing the intended victims escape. ;)
Exactly dear bunny! :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Posting these positions is also good for preventing psychological problems, as well. (hi vic and zwaii)
Regards
Yeah, really. Percentages have nothing to do with a good whine. My favorite is when an opponent rolls 4/5th of the match like he invented dice, then I escape with one well placed roll on a high cubed game, and he/she goes off about my lucky dice. Of course, the inverse is not true, and the person who does that to me is a lucky bastard who didn't deserve to win.
Quote from: lewscannon on June 19, 2008, 03:26:28 PM
Yeah, really. Percentages have nothing to do with a good whine. My favorite is when an opponent rolls 4/5th of the match like he invented dice, then I escape with one well placed roll on a high cubed game, and he/she goes off about my lucky dice. Of course, the inverse is not true, and the person who does that to me is a lucky bastard who didn't deserve to win.
every player who was unlucky or his opponent was lucky has a right to take part here, idiot.
All of my opponents didn't deserve to win, and when they did, they were real lucky bastards!!! B)
And then there are the bots. I'm up 4-2 in a 5 pointer. Crawford game. Parlorbot gets 2 of my pieces on the bar, and begins to bearoff, rolling 4 sets of doubles while my dice, which must have had all numbers higher than '2' erased, cause me dance until I am backgammoned, with 1 piece still on the bar. I didn't know whether to laugh or cry, so I puked instead.
There. I feel better now. This is a good forum.
Hey!! I never actually win by showing skill either! I always made some bad moves in midgame which were rewarded by great rolls to cover them in bearoff.
Next time avoid being "barred" by a bot, that is a well known trap used by all the bots, and only noobs like you can fall for it. For the unsuspecting, joyfull and open hearted fibster it may appear that they blunder ,BUT!!!.. NOOOO , in fact, they actually forsee all our rolls.
:D
Here's an exchange with a Player who should know better but whose name I have deleted, in an unusual fit of generosity. No prizes for guesssssing who it might be.
Player kibitzes: stupendous rolling there
You kibitz: yes : )
Player kibitzes: if you escape this it is a disgrace
Player kibitzes: tree mendous
Player kibitzes: lol
Player kibitzes: you have got to love fibs
Player kibitzes: you have anyway
You kibitz: plenty of time for things to go wrong
Player kibitzes: ha ha ha
Player kibitzes: they already have
Player kibitzes: more than once
Player kibitzes: although I didn't think you would throw it away like that
Player kibitzes: but then
Player kibitzes: fibs to the rescue
Player kibitzes: honestly
Player kibitzes: how many chances?
You kibitz: i'm wondering why you bother to play this game
Player kibitzes: I am fed up with this tonight
Player kibitzes: game after game given to my oppos by strange dice rolls
Player kibitzes: big doubles just when they are most harmful
Player kibitzes: hit after hit
Player kibitzes: that 36
Player kibitzes: jump the 5 prime
You kibitz: there's a thread on fibsboard, just for you
Player kibitzes: yeah
Player kibitzes: right
Player kibitzes: sh**
Player kibitzes: then I #### up with hitting the wrong button
Player kibitzes: you are right
Player kibitzes: I should give up
Player kibitzes: thankfully it didn\'t take
Player kibitzes: left one behind
Player kibitzes: you will still get them off first
You kibitz: is that a wish, or a promise?
Player kibitzes: inevitable
It may come as no surprise that GnuBG found neither of us got exceptional luck ~ though I couldn't help noticing that he had 5 rolls marked very lucky to my 1 (he said wryly, through gritted teeth). Oh, and he won the match, the lucky so and so. :grrr:
Quote from: stiefnu on June 29, 2008, 12:21:56 AM
Here's an exchange with a Player who should know better but whose name I have deleted, in an unusual fit of generosity. No prizes for guesssssing who it might be.
Player kibitzes: stupendous rolling there
You kibitz: yes : )
Player kibitzes: if you escape this it is a disgrace
Player kibitzes: tree mendous
Player kibitzes: lol
Player kibitzes: you have got to love fibs
Player kibitzes: you have anyway
You kibitz: plenty of time for things to go wrong
Player kibitzes: ha ha ha
Player kibitzes: they already have
Player kibitzes: more than once
Player kibitzes: although I didn't think you would throw it away like that
Player kibitzes: but then
Player kibitzes: fibs to the rescue
Player kibitzes: honestly
Player kibitzes: how many chances?
You kibitz: i'm wondering why you bother to play this game
Player kibitzes: I am fed up with this tonight
Player kibitzes: game after game given to my oppos by strange dice rolls
Player kibitzes: big doubles just when they are most harmful
Player kibitzes: hit after hit
Player kibitzes: that 36
Player kibitzes: jump the 5 prime
You kibitz: there's a thread on fibsboard, just for you
Player kibitzes: yeah
Player kibitzes: right
Player kibitzes: sh**
Player kibitzes: then I #### up with hitting the wrong button
Player kibitzes: you are right
Player kibitzes: I should give up
Player kibitzes: thankfully it didn\'t take
Player kibitzes: left one behind
Player kibitzes: you will still get them off first
You kibitz: is that a wish, or a promise?
Player kibitzes: inevitable
It may come as no surprise that GnuBG found neither of us got exceptional luck ~ though I couldn't help noticing that he had 5 rolls marked very lucky to my 1 (he said wryly, through gritted teeth). Oh, and he won the match, the lucky so and so. :grrr:
Nice fellow whiner there!
I used to whine that much and even more, but I found a solution: I gave away 100 rating pts so that I won't care anymore about my rating, then matches become just fun for me and now I whine very rarely. We're playing at FIBS to have fun, learn, communicate and find friends from all over the world. This is my new approach and hopefully I will never plung to that mire in future.
Regards
Have you ever lost a game where you were 99,9 % percent favorite? Well, that's nothing. One in thousand. It happens every day. But if you really want to know what is truely bad luck you should read about Roy Sullivan, the human lightning rod. He was struck by a lightning not less then seven times, yes, seven times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan
Roy suffered assorted losses during these encounters: toenails, eyebrows, hair, and eventually his nerve. After the fourth incident he started to believe some higher power was trying to kill him, according to a 1989 St. Petersburg Times article; the fifth time came after he tried unsuccessfully to outrun a cloud he thought was following him.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/061201.html
Quote from: blitzxz on August 03, 2008, 08:17:29 PM
Have you ever lost a game where you were 99,9 % percent favorite? Well, that's nothing. One in thousand. It happens every day. But if you really want to know what is truely bad luck you should read about Roy Sullivan, the human lightning rod. He was struck by a lightning not less then seven times, yes, seven times.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roy_Sullivan
Roy suffered assorted losses during these encounters: toenails, eyebrows, hair, and eventually his nerve. After the fourth incident he started to believe some higher power was trying to kill him, according to a 1989 St. Petersburg Times article; the fifth time came after he tried unsuccessfully to outrun a cloud he thought was following him.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/061201.html
Amazing story! :thumbsup:
I'm thinking what would be his rating if he was playing in FIBS, lol
By the way, I think this thread is no more usefull. I opened up this forum to share a room with fellow whiners, (ZWAII, vic, ...). Back then I was a hilarious whiner and used to shout my whines every time. But I found a solution. I gave away 100 rating pts on purpose by dumping matches against a medicore, novice player and then started playing with bots. Playing with bots is really usefull for curing whinning syndrom, because you know your opponent doesn't smile when he gets lucky or when you gets unlucky. Also you can swear at him with every dirty word at your disposal (expet for bonehead who would swear at you back with 10 time worse words :mad:) . Then after a while, you will get accustomed with handling all the outcomes and scenarios and will become a mature player :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Now, I really don't remember the last time I whinned about the dice. :thumbsup2:
Regards
Quote from: PersianLord on August 04, 2008, 10:14:34 AM
Amazing story! :thumbsup:
I'm thinking what would be his rating if he was playing in FIBS, lol
By the way, I think this thread is no more usefull. I opened up this forum to share a room with fellow whiners, (ZWAII, vic, ...). Back then I was a hilarious whiner and used to shout my whines every time. But I found a solution. I gave away 100 rating pts on purpose by dumping matches against a medicore, novice player and then started playing with bots. Playing with bots is really usefull for curing whinning syndrom, because you know your opponent doesn't smile when he gets lucky or when you gets unlucky. Also you can swear at him with every dirty word at your disposal (expet for bonehead who would swear at you back with 10 time worse words :mad:) . Then after a while, you will get accustomed with handling all the outcomes and scenarios and will become a mature player :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I'm sure vic appreciated the points that you dumped to him, but he still whines.
Now, I really don't remember the last time I whinned about the dice. :thumbsup2:
Regards
QuoteBut I found a solution. I gave away 100 rating pts on purpose by dumping matches against a medicore, novice player
DEATH to cheating DROPPERS! :)
socksey
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