Why isn't FIBS so popular? Any suggestions

[Yvon]

#1) It is the ONE AND ONLY server that lets you evaluate your strength (and hence your rating) with absolutely no limits. If we compare Fibs to Yahoo or the Play65 both of those limit their rating to 2500 which is about equal to 1700-1800 Fibs rating. Once you reach  this rating you have no other option than abandon the place. They won't let you go any further. Similar things happen at MSN zone in a slightly different manner.There the server choses the opponent for you. Once you reach 2200 you may have to wait for a whole day for the server to give you an opponent of equal strength, so no other option is left, than leave that place as well.

#2)You cannot cheat at Fibs. At Yahoo there are cheaters who use various software usually to knock you out by consuming your timing. Playing at Yayoo you may end up with a list of 40-60 gagged cheaters. In Play65 there are cheaters who again use software to play between themselves. Withing half an hour they get as many rating points as they like... MSN zone detects cheaters very successfully though and  knocks them out successfully.

#3)Really strong bots at Fibs. This can be seen as both an advantage AND a disadvantage. An advantage because one can play at top level with a machine. Disantvantages: First of all they scare the hell weak and intermediate players.It raises suspicion to top rated players as to how a machine could be stronger than top rated human players. Raises questions as to what are they there for? One can only assume they are there to improve the databases/playing Engines of already commercially  available BG programs, but then again improve what? It is already established they play better (?) than the best humans...

#4) The "save games" option: As far as I know FIBS is the only server where you can save and resume a match anytime you like. This is a big plus. On other sites once you abandon a match you lose it.

#5)To many interfaces, too many board styles, too many animation and sound effects to use. Compared with only one of other sites. For example I just couldn't play at Play65 simply because the pips animation (moving of pips ) was extremely fast for me to follow. Nothing of the sort of anmation on Msn or on Fibs using 3Dfibs...

There is only one (?) real disadvantage at FIBS.
The lag problem: From as long as I remember Fibs had a serious lag problem. Although I heard from other players that the old (pentium 4?) server has been replaced, the lag problem still exists and makes you fall asleep rather than enjoy the full excitement of a game.

Now considering all the above pluses FIBS should actually have been the real TOP online backgammon server available wouldn't you agree?


However let's face it: the participation at FIBS is extremely low. Once you log in there there are about 100-150 players.This is just a small percentage compared to the participation at the 3 other sites I mentioned before. I was surprised the other day to notice that even the Netgammon site which is free only for one pointer not rated games has more participation than Fibs! Out of that very low number of participants at Fibs, about 10 are bots, about 10 are just logged in without accepting invitations, about 10 are just watching others, and about 8 are playing with bots. So what's left if you want to play with humans of about equal strength to yours? Some 3-4 players, usually the same persons... In the end you get embarassed beating or been beaten by the same persons all the time.

So what is the problem with Fibs? What would you suggest to make it the real TOP online backgammon server with the highest possible number of participants?


NB. Surely the lag problem must disappear completely. We need fast response to get the excitement of the game. I have 2 more suggestions that I will post later.In the meantime please free to provide your own.

[ah_clem]

So what is the problem with Fibs? What would you suggest to make it the real TOP online backgammon server with the highest possible number of participants?

The number one suggestion would be to eliminate the droppers.  Patti has been making progress in that regard lately.

The number two suggestion is to lower the amount of "assholism" on shouts, but again progress is being made on that front too.

As for it having the highest number of participants, who cares?  I'm much more interested in quality play than ten thousand clueless phone users.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with fibs (except for those damn dice when I lose).  I'd like a better client  e.g. the look and animation of 3DFibs with the better features of JavaFibs, but that's not a FIBS thing per se. I'd like to be able to analyze matches that have been interrupted, but again this is probably a client thing.

[Yvon]

The number one suggestion would be to eliminate the droppers.  Patti has been making progress in that regard lately.

The number two suggestion is to lower the amount of "assholism" on shouts, but again progress is being made on that front too.

As for it having the highest number of participants, who cares?  I'm much more interested in quality play than ten thousand clueless phone users.

Overall, I'm pretty happy with fibs (except for those damn dice when I lose).  I'd like a better client  e.g. the look and animation of 3DFibs with the better features of JavaFibs, but that's not a FIBS thing per se. I'd like to be able to analyze matches that have been interrupted, but again this is probably a client thing.

My friend  it seems you haven't seen the amount of "asshoism" on other sites.Tons of it. Of course your suggestion remains good and valid.

Could you elaborate on what you meant by "damn dice" or was that actually a joke?

[ah_clem]

My friend  it seems you haven't seen the amount of "asshoism" on other sites.Tons of it. Of course your suggestion remains good and valid.

Oh, I've seen it.  Believe me, I've seen much worse.

Could you elaborate on what you meant by "damn dice" or was that actually a joke?

It was a joke.  (c: 

[Patti]

The primary reason is that FIBS has never made an effort to be large.  It's essentially a community site that operates with word-of-mouth publicity.  It has no commercial backer and no revenue stream other than the occasional donation, and there isn't really much incentive to make it hugely popular.

[Yvon]

The primary reason is that FIBS has never made an effort to be large.  It's essentially a community site that operates with word-of-mouth publicity.  It has no commercial backer and no revenue stream other than the occasional donation, and there isn't really much incentive to make it hugely popular.

Nevertheless the low participation is a problem as I described before unless of course I am the only one who thinks so, in which case i rest my case... Wouldn't you like it to become if not huge at least double? Wouldn't that increase donations as well? Besides I don't think the major way of finding out about Fibs is by world of mouth, how about Google, as far as i know it always appears among the first 10 or so.

[Yvon]

Anyway one of my suggestions is to introduce the option to play unrated games. Judging from other online backgammon sites it seems there are a lot of people who like to play unrated games (about 50% at yahoo e.g)
Going through this forum i think I 've read somewhere that bots will no longer play low rating players, so unrated games could probably be a good alternative.

[diane]

I don't think the major way of finding out about Fibs is by world of mouth, how about Google

That is how I found it 

[RickrInSF]

Although there are 100-200 people on fibs at any one time, there are far less that i want to play with :0  I think a higher number of people would only mean there were more people that i would NOT want to play.

[garp_02]

My own reason for joining Fibs was the League set-up.

I have played on a few different sites; Yahoo was my first when I started playing the game - a few others such as Play65, Partygammon and IBA.  I'm not too keen on the money sites as I'm not totally convinced that the dice cannot be manipulated.

I enjoy the challenge of the League system here and trying to improve my rating. 

It's far from perfect and the lobby area leaves a lot to be desired but hey, it's better than many alternatives.

Cheers,

Garp

[Tomawaky]

There is one thing missing at fibs for me : The clock.
It could be interesting to play with clock sometimes

[socksey]

There is one thing missing at fibs for me : The clock.
It could be interesting to play with clock sometimes

Do you mean timed plays within a game?  That would be nice except there would have to be a timeout function that either player could use for emergencies or for mutual agreed upon breaks.   

I found Fibs first by searching backgammon and that led me to the first one, which was Fibs.  I've tried most of the others and always come back to Fibs.  It's my home away from home, so to speak.   

I don't want Fibs to become more popular because of the lag problem we have handling more users.     I find the phone users a nuisance and way too numerous.     Nothing personal.  I'm just saying it like it is.   

socksey



"Beauty parlor: a place where women curl up and dye." - Anonymous

[sorrytigger]

I personally rate fibs high and above all others.

Only 10 bots, but lots of humans, strange ones, funny ones, very good ones (as far as BG-skill is concernded), dear ones, queer ones.

Lot's of phone users, but I know how to avoid them.

People from Europe, Australia, America, Asia.
Funny shouts
Annoying shouts

Man, it's great
I love it

Keep going, fibsters

Andy

[socksey]

I split a topic here which was off this topic to:  http://www.fibsboard.com/f-i-b-s-general-support/chouette/new/#new

Thanks to sorrytigger!   

socksey




"Chickens: the only animals you eat before they are born and after they are dead." - Anonymous

[sixty_something]

popularity is not all it is cracked up to be .. if FIBS were more popular, i.e. larger, it would most likely lose a lot of the "community" feel it has .. additionally, larger would most likely mean commercial sponsorships .. i can live without that just fine .. i found FIBS by using Google .. since it was the "First" i tried it first and have never tried another .. i really like the volunteer spirit of all who administer the site and FIBSboard not to mention FibsLeagueGammon, FIBS-O-NACCI, dedicated TD's, and those who maintain and develop bots .. most users probably have no idea how much work is involved and how many people are involved in various ways, but therein is another wonderful aspect of our little community

so, i am a very happy camper in FIBSland .. so happy i could shout it - whoops, i forgot my shouts are currently disabled for reasons even Patti doesn't fully understand - now that is a scary thought

[Tomawaky]

Nothing compare to Fibs 
This is my BG home and I have tested many other sites. But Fibs was the first and Hope it will stay also first in my heart for long

[anchordraw]

I play on my phone and love it.  Network lag, but I don't know if it is my phone or Fibs.  I don't seem to get lag when playing the bots.

[rebcalale]

#1) It is the ONE AND ONLY server that lets you evaluate your strength (and hence your rating) with absolutely no limits. If we compare Fibs to Yahoo or the Play65 both of those limit their rating to 2500 which is about equal to 1700-1800 Fibs rating. Once you reach  this rating you have no other option than abandon the place. They won't let you go any further. Similar things happen at MSN zone in a slightly different manner.There the server choses the opponent for you. Once you reach 2200 you may have to wait for a whole day for the server to give you an opponent of equal strength, so no other option is left, than leave that place as well.

#2)You cannot cheat at Fibs. At Yahoo there are cheaters who use various software usually to knock you out by consuming your timing. Playing at Yayoo you may end up with a list of 40-60 gagged cheaters. In Play65 there are cheaters who again use software to play between themselves. Withing half an hour they get as many rating points as they like... MSN zone detects cheaters very successfully though and  knocks them out successfully.

#3)Really strong bots at Fibs. This can be seen as both an advantage AND a disadvantage. An advantage because one can play at top level with a machine. Disantvantages: First of all they scare the hell weak and intermediate players.It raises suspicion to top rated players as to how a machine could be stronger than top rated human players. Raises questions as to what are they there for? One can only assume they are there to improve the databases/playing Engines of already commercially  available BG programs, but then again improve what? It is already established they play better (?) than the best humans...

#4) The "save games" option: As far as I know FIBS is the only server where you can save and resume a match anytime you like. This is a big plus. On other sites once you abandon a match you lose it.

#5)To many interfaces, too many board styles, too many animation and sound effects to use. Compared with only one of other sites. For example I just couldn't play at Play65 simply because the pips animation (moving of pips ) was extremely fast for me to follow. Nothing of the sort of anmation on Msn or on Fibs using 3Dfibs...

There is only one (?) real disadvantage at FIBS.
The lag problem: From as long as I remember Fibs had a serious lag problem. Although I heard from other players that the old (pentium 4?) server has been replaced, the lag problem still exists and makes you fall asleep rather than enjoy the full excitement of a game.

Now considering all the above pluses FIBS should actually have been the real TOP online backgammon server available wouldn't you agree?


However let's face it: the participation at FIBS is extremely low. Once you log in there there are about 100-150 players.This is just a small percentage compared to the participation at the 3 other sites I mentioned before. I was surprised the other day to notice that even the Netgammon site which is free only for one pointer not rated games has more participation than Fibs! Out of that very low number of participants at Fibs, about 10 are bots, about 10 are just logged in without accepting invitations, about 10 are just watching others, and about 8 are playing with bots. So what's left if you want to play with humans of about equal strength to yours? Some 3-4 players, usually the same persons... In the end you get embarassed beating or been beaten by the same persons all the time.

So what is the problem with Fibs? What would you suggest to make it the real TOP online backgammon server with the highest possible number of participants?


NB. Surely the lag problem must disappear completely. We need fast response to get the excitement of the game. I have 2 more suggestions that I will post later.In the meantime please free to provide your own.

Let me begin by asking a simple question R U ON DRUGS?  If you don't see why fibs is not more popular you are a very and let me make this clear, VERY POOR PLAYER.    Fibs is not popular as it might be because it is not a legit site.  I'm sure your have heard this before but I will say it anyway.   FIbs does not have  a legitimate RNG roller and guess what; until it gets one no one will take the site seriously.  Sorry all the excuses are just that, excuses.  When fibs gets a legit RNG to generate rolls it might have a chance but until that happens it will never be considered a real BG site.

Sure you will see big time players on the site but only to test worst case scenarios.  There is no way the FIbs RNG is legit.   If u doubt this just keep statistics and u will very quickly realize  just how accurate I am.  If you are a fibs diehard,  sadness must be a big part of your life.  On fibs that is all that is left.

[socksey]

Anyway one of my suggestions is to introduce the option to play unrated games. Judging from other online backgammon sites it seems there are a lot of people who like to play unrated games (about 50% at yahoo e.g)
Going through this forum i think I 've read somewhere that bots will no longer play low rating players, so unrated games could probably be a good alternative.

There is an unlimited option that could be used for that.    

Note to rebcalale:  Get real!  You R on drugs! 

socksey



"God knows I gave my best in baseball at all times and no man on earth can truthfully judge me otherwise." - from American baseball player "Shoeless" Joe Jackson born in 1888

[Bones]

I just googled "free online backgammon," and the first hit is, of all things, Nabiscoworld.com.  Looks like you get to play a flash game against a bot  -- or maybe it's an elf.  Which brings me to my great idea for making Fibs more popular:  Free cookies for everybody!!!

[McNabbMpls]

Yvon,

Good question.  You have an open mind and an honest desire to make things better.
You get my vote for board Member of the month!

I've always believed that the vitality of any organization is based on its ability to attract and retain new members.

Please check out the following link and then think about the advice this new user was given and  how "welcome" he feels at FIBS.

http://www.fibsboard.com/droppers/new-players-get-barred-by-miss-manners/

[diane]

We could have posted a whole load of very welcoming stuff, but it would all have been bollocks. 

Best to describe it as it is, explain how to use what is actually there, and further explain that if this completely free site does not suit you, there are others - such as Yahoo [I lasted 2 matches there] or sites you can pay for - which will be regularly updated and easy to use, and wont have droppers. Heck, you can even gamble real money there.

If you want to make fibs better, start coding, not posting, and get the output on sourceforge.

[don]

The key thing FIBS lacks is a direct HTML interface.

It'd be so easy to write one that there's no excuse for FIBS' not having one.  I suspect a whole pile of users don't stay to appreciate FIBS because of the hassle of selecting, downloading and using clients.

--
don

[NIHILIST]

Share your thoughts with Patti. You know how much she enjoys your ideas of how to run FIBS.

Bob

[ah_clem]

Has anybody else noticed that in addition to this thread about how fibs doesn't have enough participation, there's another thread gong simultaneously about how fibs is often reaching it's upper limit on logins and people are having trouble connecting?

FIBS is certainly one complicated place!

[KDP]

a quick comparison, as i write this its about 730 am on monday jan 17 us eastern time. 

fibs: 140 users

safeharbor games: 118 users but only 24 in the "competitive" rated room

gridgammon: 79 users

gammonsite:27 users

i didn't sample sites like yahoo or pogo because i don't consider those serious backgammon sites and i also didnt sample any of the money sites as i personally don't play for money online.

given these numbers i find it strange the assertions that fibs isn't a popular place to play when the numbers say otherwise.

now some personal observations, fibs (and to a certain extent dailygammon) are like the PBS of backgammon sites.  they are free non commercial sites which rely on the public to make donations in order to survive.  ive been playing here for over 10 years and in that same time have sampled just about every other backgammon server out there and as others have said, keep coming back.  true there are some drawbacks, the registration process isnt the most user friendly, droppers, now the phone users.  certain fibsters have been known to be abusive and the language is sometimes R rated but all in all, for me anyway that is part of the charm.  fibs is certainly in my opinion more of a community than any of the other sites i've played at, and i believe that is its greatest assest.  ive seen fibs grow not only in the number of users but in the other stuff as well,  daily tourneys, leagues, etc.  one other thing that separates fibs from the other sites is this forum.  i dont know of any other site which has something similar and this goes also to the sense of community and keeping everyone informed of what is going on.   so, you want to play at gridgammon with the giants go ahead, just remember you certainly wont enjoy the freedom to say whats on your mind like you do here.

[socksey]

Vici suggested we try another backgammon site recently, playok.com.  We went there together and played each other and that was not bad although it took a little getting used to.  It was easy to use and penalized droppers by time.  The matches were limited to time by the people establishing a table.  This was OK except some of the times were really short so you could get timed out and lose the match easily. 

Second time I tried to play there, many rooms were filled and I had to go wherever there was a vacancy.  Being a newbie, I got no invites and when I tried sitting at a table, I got no response and left out of boredom waiting.  Third time, I got same treatment, but I started a table of my own and got no takers either.  I won't be going back unless I take my own player with me.   

Fibs still wins, hands down!    

socksey



My imperfections and failures are as much a blessing from God as my successes and my talents, and I lay them both at His feet. - Mahatma Gandhi

[Schigolch]

Why isn't FIBS so popular? Easy answer. The oh-so-great community has harrassed a number of players until they've quit, or has agreed when individuals have done so.

[socksey]

Where have you been since Patti's new happier community quest began?   

We are not allowed to say what we think any longer if it harrasses or adds to drama in shouts.  At times there are no shouts at all.   

Popularity abounds since the insurgence of phone users which almost always keeps Fibs populated over 200 and reaching close to 300 at least once already.     We have timeouts.     We have LAG.   

So, in spite of the negative comments, Fibs thrives, and less happily IMHO. 

socksey



You cannot create a statue by smashing the marble with a hammer, and you cannot by force of arms release the spirit or the soul of man. - Confucius

[dorbel]

Fibs does thrive and for me the behaviour restrictions in shouts are a huge improvement. The most impressive feature of these is that this has been achieved by people actually changing their behaviour rather than by heavy handed policing.
Socksey may miss the old days of harassment and insult, but I suspect that she is in the minority.
Subjectively speaking lag is no better or worse than before and the timeouts aen't a big deal either.
Kudos to Patti for improving the site.

[diane]

All those wishing for the old days are in a minority...and living in a dream world if they think things are worse.

I further wish that other regulars would try to debate differing points of view, which is very valid and useful in a global arena, in a productive way. Hearing different points of view is not a bad thing, dismissing or ridiculing other points of view in abusive language is the only no no.

[socksey]

Yes, I agree your behavior has improved, dorbel, and so has yours, diane.  My own behavior has even improved!  Kudos to us all for improvement! 

I disagree with you about the the lag.  Maybe I should have qualified that with "during my peak usage times.  I'm sure it has become worse, and the timeouts are most annoying to me because I am often watching other players both as a learning tool and as a tourney director.    diane may not experience this so much running tourneys in the slack (under 200) times and maybe not so much the lag either or maybe you're both living in a dream world, or maybe you never watch anyone else play.   

socksey



I would not exchange the laughter of my heart for the fortunes of the multitudes; nor would I be content with converting my tears...into calm.  It is my fervent hope that my whole life on this earth will ever be tears and laughter. - Kahlil Gabran

[moonshadow123]

socksey gratuitously puts down Schigolch and his legitimate complaint, then uses that as a pretext to whine about the new FIBS policy. What further makes socksey's put down laughable is that Schigolch first of all is not an open forum shouter and therefore cannot be labeled as "abusive" and second of all, what Schigolch  stated is actually correct, that a number of FIBS players have quit or left the site due to nasty harassment or the snake pit community generated by the open shout environment.

Where have you been since Patti's new happier community quest began?  

We are not allowed to say what we think any longer if it harrasses or adds to drama in shouts.  At times there are no shouts at all.  

diane and dorbel have effectively and soundly rebutted what can justifiably be called socksey's  vacuous whining and nothing more need be added to that unless socksey wishes to defend her position of being a sadistic voyeur who, though not a direct participant, gets off on watching nasty snakes being devoured by increasingly nastier ones in the FIBS shout snake pit.

Despite the common sense wisdom dispensed by diane and dorbel, whiner socksey neither acknowledges nor reponds to any of their points other than to retort:

Yes, I agree your behavior has improved, dorbel, and so has yours, diane.

Meanwhile, socksey's behavior towards what Schigolch posted is arguably insulting, as socksey completely ignored Schigolch's point by making a trite put down on something Schigolch never said in the first place and then used that as a springboard to whine about patti's new policies.

[diane]

Yes, I agree your behavior has improved, dorbel, and so has yours, diane.  

I disagree with you about the the lag.  

I have no perception of my behaviour changing at all. That means...shouts is pretty much the way I have always enjoyed it the most, lively, funny, lots of quirky banter, political and social discussions from people in different parts of the world with very different perspectives to the ones rammed down our throats by local media, tourneys going on, people asking for - and getting - help, backgammon discussions [should that be first in the list  ] - I learned everything I know about two point matches from those discussions all those years ago  . It has quiet times, particularly in this time zone and at those times I concentrate on my game  

I wasnt referring to your comments about lag or time out, as I simply dont register those whines. They are part and parcel of what we are involved in. I accept the technical limitations, knowing that this ability to communicate with the whole world in the blink of an eye is just truly amazing. I also know that those who bring this to us are continuously improving this product, with software improvements, hardware improvements and infrastructure improvements.  I guess thinking or feeling  'it was so much better in the old days' is just not in my personality, my mantra would be more 'It is better than ever, and improving'.

But yes, it might be a lot easier for me to be happy with the time outs, given that they seem to be about an hour here at peak time  

[socksey]

Lucky you, diane!  Our timeouts seem to be every 5 min at times!   

Hey, moonshadow!  Rave on!  I have been called much worse by better than you on Fibs.  I'll share my list with you sometime.  Meanwhile, I'll go off in a corner and skulk for a while and wonder if I really could be all that bad.   

socksey



We cannot tell what may happen to us in the strange medley of life.  But we can decide what happens in us---how we can take it, what we do with it---and that is what really counts in the end. - Joseph Fort Newton

[moonshadow123]

Hey, moonshadow!  Rave on!  I have been called much worse by better than you on Fibs.  I'll share my list with you sometime.  Meanwhile, I'll go off in a corner and skulk for a while and wonder if I really could be all that bad.   :cry

I am attacking socksey's stated opinions and the manner in which she used schigolch's post as a pretext to complain about patti's new policy, which has nothing to do with her value or worth as a human being or any other winsome qualities she may or may not have.

As socksey neither agreed nor disagreed with any of my points and completely failed to engage the issues I raised altogether, its really impossible to have a meaningful dialog.

Instead,  socksey accuses me of calling her something horrible and this will be added to a list of bad names people have called her, which leads me to suspect she lacks the intelligence or English comprehension skills necessary to grapple rationally with the points I was attempting to make.

Simply put, I am very pleased with Patti's new policy in FIBs open shouts and I will take socksey or anyone else to task for whining about it.

Now, let's play some backgammon.

[Patti]

For what it's worth, measured (somewhat) objectively, lag is down tremendously.  I found a condition that could cause a multi-second lag as often as once per minute...  and then shot the problem in the head.  There is one known cause of lag remaining, but it happens on the order of a few times per day as opposed to many times per hour.

As for timeouts, they are 19 minutes under normal server load, and 5 minutes under heavy load.  Heavy load is defined as being at over 80% capacity.  FIBS is currently limited to 299 users logged in at once, and we've hit that on at least a couple of occasions.  I don't think it's unreasonable to time out idle connections after five minutes when the server is under heavy load.

[socksey]

I am attacking socksey's stated opinions and the manner in which she used schigolch's post as a pretext to complain about patti's new policy, which has nothing to do with her value or worth as a human being or any other winsome qualities she may or may not have.

Please excuse me, Schi, if my manner was unsavory.  It wasn't meant to be.   Since the atmosphere on Fibs has improved lately, I was surprised by your comment.  I meant nothing disrespectful whatsoever.  I thought perhaps you had been away. 

Moonshadow, I have never felt the need to use a "pretext" to complain about anything and Patti has heard my complaints.  No need for you to point them out further, and they certainly don't have anything to do with anything other than just that.   I tend to be straightforward and sometimes blunt in my opinions.  Because of this, I am often misunderstood by those with heightened sensibilities.  And, to add to the confusion, being a woman, I sometimes change my mind.    Although some people call this being "two faced".  So be it.  Ask me if I care. 

As socksey neither agreed nor disagreed with any of my points and completely failed to engage the issues I raised altogether, its really impossible to have a meaningful dialog.

Happy now?      

I have been a bit swamped with other things in my life besides Fibs, Fibsboard, and TDing.  I don't always respond, especially when I don't understand the whys and wherefores of comments from someone I don't know at all.

Instead,  socksey accuses me of calling her something horrible and this will be added to a list of bad names people have called her, which leads me to suspect she lacks the intelligence or English comprehension skills necessary to grapple rationally with the points I was attempting to make.

I merely told you to rave on and I did not say you called me something horrible.  Apparently, the problem of comprehension lies with you.   

Simply put, I am very pleased with Patti's new policy in FIBs open shouts and I will take socksey or anyone else to task for whining about it.

Now, let's play some backgammon.

I'm happy you are happy with the new policies being implimented. 

Let's get something else straight, tho, before I quit.     I don't whine.     I b#t#h.     If you don't know the difference, that's your problem.

socksey



Patience is the key to paradise. - Turkish proverb

[jackdaddy]

This is all fabulous. Now, let's all enjoy a nice big steaming cup of...

[diane]

Certainly...after you jd...

[dorbel]

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[MichaelP7]

Using schilgoghs words of the " oh-so-great community" I would like to ask 2 questions:

1)Does this community include the 21 bots?
2)If the server is of limited capacity then why don't the administrators kick out the bots during peak hours to make room for humans?

[diane]

1)Does this community include the 21 bots?
2)If the server is of limited capacity then why don't the administrators kick out the bots during peak hours to make room for humans?

I have asked this question..firstly, they need to be online to make sure they are available to resume matches.

Secondly - try and get a match with one at peak time...and watch if they ever time out due to inactivity....

They are very popular, so they get to stay.