Real Time money tournaments

[verystripeyzebra]

to be honest ,...
in a money tourney a palyer should be allowed to watch any game in the whole of the tournament ( even if they are already eliminated )..
there is a real investment in it and a player has a right to see fairplay...
any game a player is refused from watching should be null and void...

i believe this to be the only way to operate a truly open honest  money tourney.

[dorbel]

It is a fundamental point of etiquette in backgammon, live or online, that any player may bar any spectator from watching the game, without being obliged to give any reason, or indeed to have any reason. I do this from time to time, as there are a very few players whose hostility towards me is rather unsettling and I find it distracting when I am playing to be watched by one of them. If I want to bar a watcher, I ask them not to watch and only use the blind command as a last resort. However if a player is on my villains list (a javafibs feature) because I don't want to read their shouts or receive their tells, then the program blinds them without any input from me or even my knowledge that it has happened. This is what happened to don on Friday night.
Are the correspondents here who criticise this really saying that I don't have the right to bar a watcher or use the villain feature on my javafibs? Also, if I am so repugnant and offensive, why do they want to watch in the first place?
What all this has to do with my abilty to act as a TD is beyond me. PersianLord and Kari_Grandi and presumably don don't want to enter a tournament directed by me. That's ok, I woudn't enter a tournament directed by one of them either. They are of course still entitled to comment on and criticise the tournament, but using this thread, which is intended to promote a new activity on fibs to indulge themselves in personal spite is very wearing. Perhaps one of them would care to start a "What a twat dorbel is" thread. It would be more honest and might at least provide us all with some amusement.

[stog]

the admin here will not tolerate personal abuse - and we have all been keeping an eye on this thread. My take was to let it run while points were trying to be made, and because i know that dorbel can capably look after himself and express himself in a restrained manner    helped by this being his native language.

i feel that stripeyzebra's  message is a fair point and maybe better describes what others saught to get across in previous posts, and will help dorbel establish the groundrules necessary for his tourney. If everyone understands the rules by which he wishes to run his tourney at the offset, then there will be fewer problems further on down the line.

this is a reminder for all of us to keep to topic and put across our views without getting petty and personal. we will not, and cannot allow tirades of abuse, as may sometimes occur in FIBs shouts here on Fibsboard - this being an open public forum albeit membered by adults.

we have introduced a yellow and red card system here - as is used in football, where a yellow card is a booking - a warning -the post removed,  if you get another, you get a red and you are sent off - which in a 'boarders case would mean their ability to post would be withdrawn for a period of time.

obviously we reserve the right to totally ban too.

i trust all will appreciate the opportunity to post their views in a considered and polite format

[don]

we have introduced a yellow and red card system here - as is used in football, where a yellow card is a booking - a warning -the post removed,  if you get another, you get a red and you are sent off - which in a 'boarders case would mean their ability to post would be withdrawn for a period of time.

Interesting.  Where do these cards appear?

Oh yeah,

...and presumably don don't want to enter a tournament directed by me.

actually dorbel made clear (thank you) that it's he that will not let me in his tourney in answer to my first post in this thread.

There's nothing more to say about watchers who are IN the tourney in which they want to observe others also IN.  Stripey restated my opinion.

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don

[dorbel]

This tedious, but it is necessary to nail lies.

actually dorbel made clear (thank you) that it's he that will not let me in his tourney in answer to my first post in this thread.

I didn't.
The actual exchange went (Don)

Do you plan to set aside any personal problems you may have so that anyone can enter?

My reply was in the form of a quote from my initial post

I reserve the right to refuse entries and any money sent in by a player who is so refused will be returned 100%

If don chooses to interpret this courteous reply in response to the insulting form of his original question as a refusal to let him play then that is his affair, not mine. As he has made clear that he considers me quite unfit to be a TD and not to be trusted with other people's money

His behavior in other tourneys on FIBS can only reflect his behavior when he is operating as a TD on his own.  We're looking at someone who cannot act responsibly asking for responsibility with others' recreation time (and money).

, a clear libel in itself, then it is obvious that he doesn't intend to enter anyway, but he would so love to be banned!
Verystripeyzebra makes his point politely, but I must restate the fundamental right of any player to ban any watcher without giving a reason. That's bg and the money makes no difference. The only exception to this, a point recently made by jackdaddy, is that the TD cannot be blinded, for fairly obvious reasons.
I announced my intention to start regular money tournaments because I thought that it would be interesting and popular. I still think that, but whether I want to be the target for a continuing campaign of petty malevolence as a result of doing this is another matter. Life is too short.

[diane]

I still think that, but whether I want to be the target for a continuing campaign of petty malevolence as a result of doing this is another matter. Life is too short.

Sadly, that is the fate of most people giving their time to run tourneys on FIBs - and the main reason I stopped doing it, life is indeed much too short for some of what goes on there.

I do hope you can rise above it and run this tournament - at least for a while, if nothing else, so the bad guys don't win again....

[NIHILIST]

If there is any one lesson I have learned in my life it's this; BE VERY SUSPICIOUS OF ANY SITUATION WHERE HUMAN BEINGS AND MONEY ARE PRESENT.

I see both sides of the issue. I generally have no problem with watchers but dorbel is right.........in real-life tourneys kibitzers can be banned by a player or TD without any reason given.

Years ago, at a major tourney, I was compelled to do this. My Turkish opponent had a friend sitting with him, watching the play. At a fairly crucial point in the game, my opponent started to move the checkers but was stopped by his friend, who mumbled something to him in Turkish. My opponent made another checker play.

I called the TD, explained what happened, told him I thought I was playing in a tourney, not a consulting chouette, and asked him to remove the kibitzer, which the TD did at once.

I've known dorbel for years at FIBS. I think it's fair to say we won't be exchanging Christmas cards or going on a cruise together anytime soon. For all I know, I'm one he'd likely ban from his tourneys.......irrelevant. He's trying to do something to introduce a little more action and vitality into FIBS, for that he should be commended.


Bob

[dorbel]

For reasons unconnected with this thread, or indeed with fibs at all, I have decided not to proceed with this venture. Thanks to those brave souls who sent me money, which I am returning today and thanks to those who have kindly expressed support and encouragement.
One day there will be money play on fibs and that will be fun for those that like that sort of thing. I look forward to it.

[sixty_something]

nice try anyway, dorbel .. personally, i am very ambivalent about money play, especially at FIBS .. that said, i would have no problem entering any tourney with you as TD, money play or not .. when personalities get into such decisions, as they often do in FIBSland, it is simply a mess .. when personalities and money mix, the mess is most likely to become very sticky .. so, all things considered, i think your decision is correct, for now

[diane]

i think your decision is correct, for now

He did say his decision is unconnected with anything in this thread or at fibs - so whatever it is dorbel, hope it isn't serious, and you can consider resurrecting this in the future.

In the meantime, thanks for trying to bring some diversity to fibs - in spite of all the flack

[socksey]

Now he's going to run a money tourney on FIBS, asking for a 5% rake, even though the likes of sixty or socksey have been running regular tournaments in FIBS for years and in the most efficient way imaginable, FREE of any charge of course.

This is from an old thread that I ran across while searching to see when the last time Kari_Grandi posted on Fibsboard and thought I should make a comment.

I've never run a money tournament, but, if I did, I certainly would charge a small fee of some kind.  I think 5% is minimal and probably 10% would be more normal.  There is more involved with money tournaments than free ones, not to mention more flack and accountability. 

socksey



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