Real Time money tournaments

[dorbel]

Some people have expressed an interest in real time money tournaments, so I am going to try some as an experiment. I propose to run them initially on Sunday evenings European time, so early afternoon for Americans. I have in mind five point matches, perhaps with a 7 point final, and a 10 euro ($13.50) (£9.20) entry fee.
Winner takes all with 7 or fewer players. 8-12 players winner 75% second 25%. 13-16 winner 60% second 20% semifinalists 10% each.
Only players with money on deposit with me may enter, so those who might like to take part may send me money to credit to their account. Minimum deposit 10 euros or $14 or £10 to cover currency fluctuations. Entrants may send enough for more than one tournament. Only payPal will be accepted by me at this time, to my email dorbel(at)gmail(dot)com. If you have money on deposit, then you can enter on the night, but of course if you are not there, your account stays untouched.
During the trial period there will be no deduction by me from the prize fund, although if it gets off the ground and becomes a regular feature I may introduce a small (5%?) rake at some point in the future to parly cover admin time. Winnings will be credited to the winner's account and may be withdrawn at any time, immediately on request. If there isn't sufficient interest to run some, or indeed any tournaments, then any funds unused will be returned 100%.
As only cash players can enter, we can't use tourneybot and I will devise a fair method of making a random draw.
This venture is entirely unofficial and not in any way sanctioned by fibs. It is not intended to be a profitmaking venture. Tournament rules and regulations will be whatever the TD (me initially) says they are! I reserve the right to refuse entries and any money sent in by a player who is so refused will be returned 100%. Note that 100% here and elsewhere means 100% less any amounts deducted by payPal for any reason.
Any interest and we will do it. No tournament and you get your cash back. Let's do it!

[jackdaddy]

Sounds like fun dorbel. When are you thinking of starting it?

[dorbel]

The first Sunday after I have received three (or more) deposits.

[don]

Do you plan to set aside any personal problems you may have so that anyone can enter?

[dorbel]

I reserve the right to refuse entries and any money sent in by a player who is so refused will be returned 100%

[don]

Got it.  Will you please change the name of this thread to "Real dorbel Time money tournaments"?

[dorbel]

Our first entrant is in, which is great. Two more, in addition to me of course, and we will schedule the first tournament.
There are no plans to change the name of this thread.

[PersianLord]

I may introduce a small (5%?) rake at some point in the future to parly cover admin time

I'm not going to take part in your tourney, dorbel.

Regards

[jackdaddy]

I'm not going to take part in your tourney, dorbel.

Regards

It won't be the same without you

[socksey]

Quote from: dorbel on March 24, 2009, 11:41:59 PM

I may introduce a small (5%?) rake at some point in the future to parly cover admin time

Quote from: PersianLord on Yesterday at 05:29:07 PM
I'm not going to take part in your tourney, dorbel.

Regards

We have two schools of thought on Fibs.     One thinks that because Fibs is a free server, that any other connected Fibs endeavor should also be free.     Never mind that Patti and some of the others of us have devoted years of free time and $ for the love of Fibs and a few thank yous here and there.  There are costs involved in keeping Fibs going that are supported by Marvin, the owner of Fibs and by Patti, the administrator of Fibs who keeps it running 24/7.  I'm very grateful for these two because of my enjoyment of Fibs.    

I don't have a lot of money, so that's why I donate my time and my knowledge to support the site.  A very few people donate money to the cause, for which I am also grateful.  

Supporting a site like Fibsboard takes a lot of time AND some money.     I see nothing wrong with advertising and donations to support the site if the person donating their time for the project hasn't the independant means to also donate the $ for the cause.  

Running tournaments takes a lot out of a person when you consider the complaints and other problems one must deal with as a tournament director.     That is why I have seen many tournament directors come and go over the years.  I've been on the brink of quitting many times myself.     I see no problem with charging a 5% fee for the headaches of a money tournament.  

socksey



"All great truths begin as blasphemies." - George Bernard Shaw

[NIHILIST]

Any touirney IRL has a rake for the organizers. Why should FIBS be any different ?

Dorbel's time is certainly worth something.


Bob

[Tomawaky]

5% is really nothing. Good luck for the tourney 

[Kari_Grandi]

Kinda funny when ppl dont take 5% rake for 'nothing'. I.e. tomawaky has hosted tourneys for years for free. Lots of TD's in online tourneys do it for free. Why this tourney is any different? Is handling the money any different, than hosting leagues free for years? Think again!

[diane]

Is handling the money any different, than hosting leagues free for years? Think again!

Not only free, but at personal cost, which is someway met by donations, but I would be willing to bet not completely. 

I can see both sides really - and the bottom line is...as long as dorbel is up front about taking the rake, should he decide to in the future, then people can choose to play it knowing that, or to not play. Arguing about it won't make a jot of difference - nor is it likely to make dorbel see that we are a sweet bunch, who are a pleasure to do business with, and thereore he will do it for free 

[stog]

i note that the escoffery.com tourney the only other fibs 4 money tourney i know about takes 10%.
i would imagine anyone managing a fibs tourney, when money is at stake, will indeed earn a "rake"; i doubt it would meet the potential costs of post-tourney TD therapy however.

gl to all

[dorbel]

To date I have only received funds for two players, so there will be no tournament this Sunday. Interested players should let me have a deposit soon, so that we can begin the following Sunday 5th April.

[don]

Tournament etiquette is important for a TD.

So I start watching a game in a tournament -- dorbel's game.  Note:  I've already lost to dorbel in a polite (meaning dorbel was silent) match in an early round, and just want to watch the rest of the tourney.  (TourneyBot: |2872: [bracket] "Work can Wait" Monday Open| |Mon, 30 Mar 09 18:30 UTC| |Directors: adz| |)

• dorbel rolls 1 and 2.
• dorbel bans you from watching.
• You shout: Gee whiz, dorbel. Is it forbidden for participants in YOUR tournaments to watch other matches in SAME tournament? You'll be a great TD. *** dorbel bans you from watching.
• dorbel shouts: It strikes me as amazing that people who never miss an pportunity to insult and harass me, not only want to watch me play, but expect it as a right!

Not to mention that it's dorbel who will "never miss an [o:sic]pportunity to insult and harass", it's dorbel who is trying to be a credible TD in a money tourney.  His behavior in other tourneys on FIBS can only reflect his behavior when he is operating as a TD on his own.  We're looking at someone who cannot act responsibly asking for responsibility with others' recreation time (and money).

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don

[dorbel]

There is no dignified way to respond to this hysterical nonsense, so I will refrain, apart from questioning what on earth this all has to do with the subject of the thread.
As next Sunday evening is the keenly awaited match between juggler and Matvey 'falafel' Natanzon I will not be running a tournament on that evening either, but we do now have sufficient players who have sent me money on deposit, so all being well the first money tournament will be on Sunday 12th, Easter Sunday at 1800 UTC. Players interested in entering should refer to the earlier post(s) by me in this thread for details of how to send in the cash.
Note that this first tournament and all others in the immediate future will feature a 100% return.

[diane]

Well done on organising that dorbel, I hope it all runs well - and good games to all those taking part 

[PersianLord]

Tournament etiquette is important for a TD.

So I start watching a game in a tournament -- dorbel's game.  Note:  I've already lost to dorbel in a polite (meaning dorbel was silent) match in an early round, and just want to watch the rest of the tourney.  (TourneyBot: |2872: [bracket] "Work can Wait" Monday Open| |Mon, 30 Mar 09 18:30 UTC| |Directors: adz| |)

• dorbel rolls 1 and 2.
• dorbel bans you from watching.
• You shout: Gee whiz, dorbel. Is it forbidden for participants in YOUR tournaments to watch other matches in SAME tournament? You'll be a great TD. *** dorbel bans you from watching.
• dorbel shouts: It strikes me as amazing that people who never miss an pportunity to insult and harass me, not only want to watch me play, but expect it as a right!

Not to mention that it's dorbel who will "never miss an [o:sic]pportunity to insult and harass", it's dorbel who is trying to be a credible TD in a money tourney.  His behavior in other tourneys on FIBS can only reflect his behavior when he is operating as a TD on his own.  We're looking at someone who cannot act responsibly asking for responsibility with others' recreation time (and money).

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don

Banning people from watching is not a rude behaviour in itself IMO. But the problem is that dorbel usually advertises for a large audience for his FLG matches, saying 'ALL are welcome to watch' and guess what often happens in actuality? Yes, he doesn't hold his promises and bans as many fibsters as he wants to. I think this alone is a more than enough convincing reason to disqualify him as a reliable TD for even a FUN tourney, money ones aside. Now he's going to run a money tourney on FIBS, asking for a 5% rake, even though the likes of sixty or socksey have been running regular tournaments in FIBS for years and in the most efficient way imaginable, FREE of any charge of course.

All in all, as said before and oulined above, I am not going to participate in this tourney. BTW, I hope being a TD and running a money tourney in FIBS would satiate our friend's excessive lust for authority and make his behavior a bit less repugnant than what it's used to be.

Regards