Dropping (leaving) Instead of losing

[ronen]

Dear Friends,

As a community we should seek for fairness among us

I'm a new here (around 3 weeks) but I play quite alot and must say that I became quite addicted. The problem I'd like to bring here is that there are few players that when they going to lose they dropped (leave) the game and become unreachable afterwords. (It happened to me just twice & heard from outhers as well) but still it is very irritate

I think we , as a community, have to take some actions in order to eliminate this behavior.

I'd like to  offer few ideas in order to bring that issue to an end and i hope (sure) that you as having much more experience then me here will come up with more ideas as well

1. Publish the name of those guys so players will avoid playing with them
2. create new software requirements in order to add functionality to the Fibs server which will encounter those guys, and carry out some actions such as:

 * Credit the rate points to the person , which was abandoned
 * Freeze the dropper for playing for a period of time (week, month...)

I'm willing to help doing the functionality requirements

Start with , the 2 players that dropped when played with me just before the game was going to end are:

* Baroncurl
* Chtirob


Thanks for your time

Rons

[burper]

As you can imagine after being around for over a decade (fibs, not me
this issue has been done to death. here are some links to help you catch up:

http://repbot.fibsboard.com/

http://www.fibs.com/savedgames

[EddieVedd]

Welcome Ronen    It gets better the longer you're around.

Thanks for the tip  , I'll never play those two. Remember there are lots more nice people around that don't drop than those who do.  New players are easy targets, as you progress it will become less and less common, my last dropper would be over a year ago !

Use repbot and dont let them ruin your day  

[diane]

It does get better i promise - after a few months on here - i had racked up over 30 saved games - and had never dropped anyone - even a bot!!

Then i found out stuff - for instance, repbot - and used the toggle alert function, that helped a lot to catch the genuine disconnection problems - and finish those matches - and now i carry a maximum of around four saved games - and those are often by choice.

I have not been dropped in ages - but it still does happen - i had the dubious honour of being baroncarls first drop - back when he had no saved games - and no bad rep.  I have done my part to try to warn people - i complained, i shout it - and it is even posted here somewhere!! And he still finds victims.... ahh well (while we are doing this - top tip - lily is a dropper too   )

As mentioned above - dont let these people put yer off - just take as many precautions as possible - and enjoy the good stuff here  

[lewscannon]

I usually only drop when the other player cheats, i.e. rolls better dice than me. Generally you should also curse the other player out, question their sexuality, whine & take increasingly longer time between rolls as the match reaches its conclusion. Proper droppage (pronounced with a French accent) is an art.

[souptree]

Shouting repeatedly about such occurrences also can help matters.  Something along the following lines is usually appropriate:

*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***
*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***
*** monitor is a dropper!!!! ***

Do this 10 or 20 times.

Also, make sure and do it every time you log in, for each dropper you encounter, as there may be other fibsters who were not logged in the previous time(s) you shouted.  This will ensure that everyone stays informed as to the problem, and will help to drastically reduce people's irritation on fibs.

Thanks!

[ronen]

Hi all

I'd like 2 add 2 more droppers

1. Hockey_Nite which accept my invitation 4 resuming our saved match and when he saw(remember) that he is going 2 lose he dropped again even without moving one ston

2. Lily

[burper]

ronen,

Note that saying anything about droppers may get you labelled as a whiner. Check the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

It is better to use repbot, both for checking reputations before playing, and for complaining afterwards.

Why? Let's take your 4 names as a "random" sample, i.e. not supplied by me or any other repbot advocate:

RepBot says: Baroncarl's reputation is -117318(BAD) (51 saved games)
RepBot says: Hockey_Nite's reputation is -59644(BAD) (40 saved games)
RepBot says: lily's reputation is -175019(BAD) (68 saved games)

Those 3 you may want to avoid. Note that I said *may*. It is up to you. RepBot is not totally accurate, but if there are 20 choices  of people to play with good reps, why pick one of these? Is that unfair? Hell no. It is easy to get a good rep on fibs. Even I have one.

What about the 4th one?

RepBot says: chtirob's reputation is 2309(GOOD) (2 saved games)

Does this mean chtirob is not a dropper? That is up for you to decide. For me, I would take a closer look before getting angry.

RepBot says: chtirob complainers: [] vouchers: [resipsa] complaints: [ronen*]
vouches: [] (2 saved games)

This person has only 1 person vouching for them, but that person has a VERY good rep:
RepBot says: resipsa's reputation is 361373(GOOD) (4 saved games)

Again, it's up for you to decide what that means. To me, not knowing resipsa, it means that the rep is based on a grossly insufficent amount of data, i.e. sample size. Note that chtirob has registered a complaint about you.

Now I am wondering about you

RepBot says: ronen's reputation is 39422(GOOD) (17 saved games)

RepBot says: ronen's complainers: chtirob*, htwooosa, silverback
>
RepBot says: ronen's vouchers: bemator, Carolina_Blue, Cheesedick, clure, diane, Gib, GMoore, mimbing, MND, xkont
>
RepBot says: ronen's complaints: Baroncarl*, Biggles_two, Hockey_Nite*, lily,
wolfman
>
RepBot says: ronen's vouches: Cheesedick, GMoore, kanze, MMagnani, xkont
>
RepBot says: ronen has 17 saved games.

You have some good vouchers, and a good rep. You use repbot some, but why no complaint against chtirob? Perhaps you have done your repbot homework afterall and are withholding judgement? Why not leave a nice message with them, hoping to get the match resumed sometime and the complaint about you withdrawn?

[ronen]

Dear Friends

Thanks to Burper and all the other repliers for your support.

I  agree with your comments and i goess i should put more effort on studying the repbot commands in order to be faster on the keybaord:) At the end of the day it is better not 2 play a match because you waste time on checking on the person then to play anyone and find out that after a long match just befor u win he droppes on u.

I guess my current situation is like a new kid on the "flesh "market that doesnt use any protection and could find himself getting a disease later on:)

However i think that this problem can be addressed in parallel, individually as mentioned by Burper and others, by the community which  you as veterans surely can come with some good ideas and as a softwer designer i think (know) by putting more functionality in the Fibs server

Finaly, after going through Burper analysis, and as chtirob is not on my list which i've complained and as extra precaution, I'm taking his name out and I sorry if by mistake i put him on the light spot (negatively) as a  dropper - SORRY chtirob!!!

ronen

[souptree]

Note that saying anything about droppers may get you labelled as a whiner. Check the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

I will not be sarcastic.
I will not be sarcastic.
I will not be sarcastic.

</bart_simpson>

[burper]

Did I say sarcastic? I meant to say helpful, well-meaning, informative and heartwarming.

[lewscannon]

Check the sarcastic responses from souptree and lewscannon above.

Terrific. Now I'm linked forever with souptree.

[adrian]

Burper said: It is easy to get a good rep on fibs. Even I have one.

^_^ Well, you are among the 50 people  I know that deserve it.  

[MND]

Hi all

I'd like 2 add 2 more droppers

1. Hockey_Nite which accept my invitation 4 resuming our saved match and when he saw(remember) that he is going 2 lose he dropped again even without moving one ston

2. Lily

Thanks for telling me about hockey_Nite, albeit too late. Just lost 5 rating points to that sucker. Thats another problem with repbot, you only check the reputation too late.
MND

[diane]

maybe there is a justification for having the hall of shame copied on here somewhere since a lot of players seem to know where this is, and arent aware of the other (no matter how many links are set up)    

[ronen]

Hi dear friends

I'd like 2 had 1 more dropper 2 my list which had dropped me while i was leading 6:0 on a 7 points game and 3 moves before i'd finish cleared my man he dropped

His name is Motumba - Beaware of him!!!

P.S: He is quite confusing as he had just 2 saved games when he invited me so i didn't paid much attention to his bad reputation

[diane]

It seems an apology is due here - lily has been wronged it seems - 'her' astounding climb to no 9  in the hall of shame, with an awe inspiring 108 saved games is actually NOT HER FAULT AFTER ALL!

This was shouted in her defence tonight - so i want you all to take good heed when considering future invites...........


I would like to say something to u dear fibsters. He did nithing wrong to me, but to someone called Lily. She is 74 years old and uses a dial-up connection and sometimes it drops because someone attempts to call her. You understand what I mean ? She is the one who toche me this game, so damned, go easy with her.

I, for one, will be lining up to become another of her accidental saved games  

[Shades]

  I printed out the hall of shame and it hangs in front of me now... so I can see in a sec if it is worth playing or not...  

Regarding Lily... I will take consideration of diane's remarks, remebering when I had nothing else than a phone line to connect, how hard it was sometimes to keep it going on... so, Lily... whenever you want darling..!    

[diane]

I am glad to see it - with a little help from friends - she may yet achieve greater heights - maybe as many as 200 saved games!  Heck - every fibster could have a saved game with her!    

[PortWine]

Does her dial up connection prevent her from resuming games?  Get out of here with this!  I don't care if she is 104, resume your games!

What kinda excuse is this?