Ban of Team-brb from Team League

[don]

I think it worthwhile to consider the original issue, as posted by tryout here.  There's too much flaming and sidetracking, and tryout's original post is still unresolved.

According to tryout, he objected to NIHILIST as my replacement on team-brb because NIHILIST was going to use a different ID for team play.  I happen to agree with tryout that multi-IDs are both against FIBS policy AND the spirit of play in general.  But I disagree with him when he chooses to enforce this policy with no warning and arbitrarilly.  There are other multi-ID users on the teams, and there is STILL no stated rule on http://fibsleagammon.free.fr/team.htm about this.

Norbert (houtx), and possibly the other members of team-brb (souptree and NIHILIST), then chose to make a statement with a choice of a new team name.  It may have been in bad taste, it may have been intended as sarcastic humor.  But once again, it doesn't run against any stated policy that tryout has ever made.  In fact, if tryout is going to ban politically sensitive names, he should take a look at his player list.

Knowing Norbert and souptree as I do, I suspect team-brb's second action WAS a comment on tryout's first arbitrary and wrong decision.  Had tryout, at that point, become fair and reasonable, the name-change could have been retracted, and there would be no reason for this thread.

Instead, tryout circled the wagons, and many of the usual suspects have joined in with their useless, inconsequential and inflammatory rhetoric.  I suggest a review of this thread, starting with tryout's original comment.  See if you think my interpretation is correct.  Separate that from my evaluation.  Then review the rest of the thread, and see who you think contributes to the conversation and who detracts.  I'm sure readers will find fault with comments I've made, but I think they will find more fault with those who either willfully or ignorantly misconstrue the original discussion.

[diane]

And once again, don spectacularly misses the point......

I suggest a review of this thread, starting with tryout's original comment.

But, that is a good idea - or perhaps Eddies post - which summed it up rather nicely, either way, those who can read will arrive at an entirely different conclusion i expect.

[don]

How did I miss a meaning, diane?  Are you disputing tryout's version of events?

1.  houtx registers NIHILIST.
2.  tryout objects to NIHILIST.
3.  houtx changes team name as sarcastic comment to tryout.

What did I miss?  I am only suggesting that these events should be viewed sequentially.  I thought it was obvious, but reviewing the last few pages of posts, and yours in particular, it's not.

So, why not deal with, first, the inclusion of NIHI, then tryout's objections, then the sarcastic change of name?  ...or am I missing something?  I'm only saying that if tryout had been consistent on the first item, you would have nothing to flame about here.

[diane]

Yup - you are missing quite a lot - go and read Eddies post - all of it.

[EddieVedd]

Sigh.....

Last summary !

1) don withdraws
2) replacement prefers to play with alternate Nik ( consider if we all chose to do this ?)
3) tryout expresses concern but is STILL willing to accept team (including alternate Nik), all be it with reservations.
4) unknown communication between team members re:Nik concerns from organiser.
5) No communication from Team back to organiser re Nik concerns.
6) e-mail sent to organiser (tryout) just before deadline advising name change to Team_try_fascism_out.
7) Then and ONLY then ------ Organiser bans Team .


Please absorb this sequence as it is crutial to this discussion and the running of future events.

Cheers.



 

[souptree]

Last summary !

Promise?

[don]

Actually Eddie, if one takes your previous lengthy analysis as gospel, you left out where tryout was going to encourage other teams to break a basic rule of FIBS, because he decided to selectively enforce it for one team, but generally ignores it.  
Of course, that's just tryout's version of the facts, filtered through you.

[don]

Now back to the basic question:

Should tryout have objected to a multi-ID user on team-BRB when he permits it on other teams?

[webrunner]

He can object to whatever he wants.
he is the TD so he calls the shots.. right?  

[don]

Absolutely correct, webrunner.  If tryout is the boss, he can do what he wants.  Except he can't try to justify himself in a public forum and expect slavish agreement.

[Hardy_whv]

Hi everyone,


I usually don't like to add anything to such discussions, which in many aspects do not reflect the spirit of FIBS. I promise, this will be my first and last post in this thread.   :agree:

My humble remarks:

1. Eddie, thanks for your precise summary! This is exactly what houtx, team captain of brb, told me few days ago, before this discussion here started. So its not only yours and tryouts view of events, but also confirmed by the team captain.

2. Tryout, thanks for organizing this great tournament. You do a great job. I just hope, you will continue doing so!

3. I'd really appreciate, if my team would not always be only 2nd winner  

And now I propose, we all shift our center of gravity back to FIBS, to PLAY there.

All the best,


Hardy

[EddieVedd]

Thanks Hardy and you're very welcome

What you say about Houtx and tryout is very encouraging as i have not spoken to either of them since before this post started.

Despite the "filtering" comment a few posts up,   ALL i have written here comes from what i have read on these these pages only.

I'll just take the opportunity to repeat a quiet little request i made a earlier.....

EddieVedd Posted: Jul 21 2004, 01:41 PM

Houtx, give us a post

What you say about shifting the focus back to PLAYING is perfect and with Friday 3's half an hour away I cant wait to have my first game in a few days

[diane]

with Friday 3's half an hour away I cant wait to have my first game in a few days

gees, rub my nose in the fact i am at work - missing yet another golden opportunity for a thrashing - why dont ya !!!  

[SubtleOne]

Now back to the basic question:

Should tryout have objected to a multi-ID user on team-BRB when he permits it on other teams?

I'm unaware of other multi-IDs. At least on board 1, but then perhaps you mean board 2 or 3? Could you state which you have in mind?

Albert

[diane]

One obvious one is Biggles and Biggles_Two, I have been lead to believe he uses one for league play and one for normal fibs play.  I have not, however confirmed this - I see little point in concerning myself with that - since both nicks have very high ratings  and plenty of experience. The original premise for objecting to the new nick was that it had a lower rating and very low experience points - thus making the resultant ratings losses and gains somewhat unfair.  I am not aware of any others.

[SubtleOne]

One obvious one is Biggles and Biggles_Two, I have been lead to believe he uses one for league play and one for normal fibs play.

No, Biggles_two is the same nick used in both League and Team League play.  

[burper]

F
All the blablabla about freedom of speech and whatnot just doesn't hold.

And freedom, oh freedom, well that's just some people talkin,
NIHI's prison is walking through this world all alone.

[Biggles]

Just to recap for diane..

Biggles was a nick created solely for 1 point matches.  I retired him when the tournaments started, but still may occasionally play a 1 pointer on it.

I asked Patti if I could start Biggles_two for team league, league and tournament play, and she agreed.

Just FYI

Biggles
(the most Popular Fibster....now at 820,000)  

[Shades]

I asked Patti if I could start Biggles_two for team league, league and tournament play, and she agreed.


lets see if I get this right, Biggles.. you created a specific nick for the tourneys... why is that??... scared your holly ranking could go down..?...    we all take our chances when playing tourneys or league games but, according to you, we better create a second nick , which can be abandoned easily if games go wrong??.. My Hero..!! :angry:  

[PortWine]

My rating could be at least 5 points higher if I protected it and took it seriously!