Someone explain it to me

[deuce]

Because I really want to know:

What is it about Biggles?

Does anyone find his schtick charming?  Funny?  Useful in any way at all?

`Cause I don't get it.

If the argument is that he's just a forceful debater, spare me.  He's not into it to come to a better understanding of anything.  He's all about attack, and puffing up his ego.

The "I never start it" excuse is a crock, and everyone knows it.

Yet, he has his defenders, the various wannabes, and their pack mentality.

The sandbox manners.

What's the appeal, those of you in his corner?

What's the charm of hangng out with someone who purposefully takes on the pose of an unmitigated, unprovoked *rick at all times?  (I say "takes on", because it's gotta be an act - no one can actually live like that every day, all the time).

Don't you ever just get tired of it?

I sure have.

I log on today, and the insults start immediately.  Hadn't said a word past my "Howdy, FIBSters!"  What a guy.

And another thing.

He's taken, lately, to bragging how he's "run people off" (crowing about my departure today, for instance, when we hadn't debated a thing).  But seriously, isn't engaging in activites *intended* to ruin other people's experience to the point that they leave not in keeping with the Introductory Statement's request:  "Be Nice"?

Call this a whine if you will, and some of you most certainly will, but I am serious:

What's the appeal?

I just don't get it.

"Gag" is my friend, I know.  I am enjoying it immensely, even though it sometimes it  refuses to work in JavaFibs.

Walking away from it 's not what I'm talking about.  

It's just so freaking ugly.  I don't know how anyone can stand being around it for any length of time, much less being the source.

So clue me in.  

I'm never going to be a character in The Biggles Show again, no matter how he tries to bait me, as he did today.   But I'd like to understand it at some level.   It's baffling.  It really is.

[dorbel]

Don't get annoyed deuce, Biggles is what he is and every can make their own mind up. At the end of the day, listening to his sub-Rush Limbaugh rants is the price we pay for free speech on fibs. Even if you don't think that it's worth it, it's only a virtual world. Rise above it and think beautiful thoughts!

[Biggles]

LOL

Let me get this straight.


The same guy that has been goading me for months about backing Bush is now whining and complaining that he can't take the heat?  The same guy that baited me for 2 straight weeks non-stop about putting up $40 on the election (which I did) is now officially calling it quits?  Wow, I can only hope the rest of your clan is as thin-skinned as you are deuce.  

You can certainly shovel the cow manure with the best of them deuce, but if someone says something to you that strikes a nerve, watch out lest they be demonized on Fibsboard posts.

I still expect you to be a gracious loser come November, deuce, but after this posting of yours I'm not really counting on it.

Love and Kisses,

Biggles

[diane]

What I dont understand is why there is always a long queue of people to 'debate' with him, since I have known boulders more receptive to a counter opinion - why do you bother???  Anyways - as long as someone wants to play - he can keep it up.    

[gammboy]

Bingo, Diane.  Biggles is as far right as Zorba is left.  The farther out they go, the louder, and more obnoxious they get.  His assertion today that you're either a Bush supporter or a terrorist sympathizer was a bit over the top, but  I watched with amusement at the number of folks that took the bait.  It was a well crafted troll tactic that sucked an amazing number of victims in.

But you hit the nail on the head:  If you don't want to play his game, stand back and watch.   If you don't want to watch, then gag is your friend.

Free speech, no matter how pompous, ridiculous, or just plain ignorant, is a good thing.

GB

[Biggles]

Cool avatar gammboy...

Almost as good as mine.  



I was just clowning around today, and dont think that either you're a Bush supporter or terrorist sympathizer.   It was offered to make them take a step back and see what it  is they are actually supporting, but I wouldn't pigeon hole them all.  Gimme makes some good points, inim is a little over the top (especially calling Jesus a terrorist), and Zorbald is plain clueless.  I was just taken aback by deuce's statements, when he was the one who initiated Bush bashing and the $40 bet with me and now is acting like a hurt puppy dog.

Later, peace.....

Biggles

[diane]

What did impress me was his ability to keep typing those somewhat complicated long names with no inconsistencies or typos    

[deuce]

Well, actually Biggles, You offered the bet to all takers.  I was a little late getting in, that's all.

And you did fail for weeks to send the money to Zyxtcba, while the day the bet was make, you accused me of being a deadbeat.

Are you saying that that is something you would *not* have made hay over had the shoe been on the other foot?

Oh, sure.  You'd *never* do that.

So, for your three defenses, you are Oh-for three.

Typical.

And, before this becomesyet another chapter in the Biggles Show, again: I do not intend to have the same poo-flinging fest here, as there.

I'm really not concerned with how you view yourself, or you constant attempts to be seen as the aggrieved party.

That's been abundantly plain, for years.

I'm asking the others, the fans, what it is they see in you.

You see you in you, and that's all you'll ever see.

Comments by others still welcome.  As for you, sir,  I leave you with your hero's Mom's words:

I am done with you.

( Other readers: Thanks for your comments re: free speech, and not playing along.  They are taken, and understood, but not quite the subject I'm trying to address.)

Anyone is welcome to explain to me how accepting a wager is "Bashing", btw.

[PortWine]

Comments by others still welcome. 

( Other readers: Thanks for your comments re: free speech, and not playing along.  They are taken, and understood, but not quite the subject I'm trying to address.)

Anyone is welcome to explain to me how accepting a wager is "Bashing", btw.

Deuce -

I think you are as entrenched in this game as Biggles is.  Your posts appear to be nothing more than a counter-point to a debate you appear to be having with Biggles.

What are you asking for?  Do you want to prevent people from arguing points of view that are contrary to yours, or in a manner in which you don't care for?  Are you asking for protection?  Are you asking to be left alone?  (Posting on fibsboard was probably a way to ensure this goes on.)  Most of all, from your quote, what is the subject you are trying to address?  You don;t like Biggles manners or opinions?  What do you do in real life when confronted by a similar circumstance?

Here is a recommendation:  Get javafibs, put biggles on gag, and go about your business.  Why the posts?

I have learned to live with my stalker and accept his/her game.  There is nothing to post, and if I do, it is just to be annoying.  Learn to live with the game or perma-gag the people that annoy you.

Just remember, if you stick it out, it may get cut off.  Don't enter into the debate and you won;t have someone debating you.

PW  :2drunk:  

[deuce]

Hey, Port:

 Pardon my sloppy looking post, `cause I don't quite get the quote thingie.

>  I think you are as entrenched in this game as Biggles is.

 Oh, to be sure.  It's been going on for years.  Hard to leave cleanly.  Hard to let blatant misrepresentation go by.   But true enough - only one way out.  

 > What are you asking for?  Do you want to prevent people from arguing points of view that are contrary to yours, or in a manner in which you don't care for?

 No, of course not.  Don't believe I said that.

 > Are you asking for protection?  Are you asking to be left alone?

 Mmm, no, don't think I said either of those things, either.  I *did* say "I know, gag is my friend".  (Now that you mention it, being left alone might be nice, but it's damned unlikely under the circumstances, don't you think?)

 >   Most of all, from your quote, what is the subject you are trying to address?

 Well, gee, I thought I asked it pretty directly in the original post:   "What's the appeal, those of you in his corner?"

 >  You don;t like Biggles manners or opinions?

 Well, that would be obvious to anyone who's spent any time on shout in the last 6 or 7 years, and it's clearly mutual.

 >What do you do in real life when confronted by a similar circumstance?

 Of course, I avoid them, Captain Obvious.  Hence my declaration that I ain't goinna play no more.  Doesn't mean that I can't still want to *understand* better.

 I mean, I should have written this off years ago.   Clearly, I am not without my share of responsibility here.

 But I just don't understand 1) why a person would behave in such fashion, and 2) why others gravitate toward such behavior.  I was wondering if anyone who thinks highly of the guy could explain it to me.

 > Here is a recommendation:  Get javafibs, put biggles on gag, and go about your business.  

 Again, please read what I write, not what you think I wrote.  I have JavaFibs, applet client only for daytime play, as I do not have Administrator rights, here.  First post quote: "sometimes it (gag) refuses to work in JavaFibs"

 Believe me, I'd permagag if I could.

 Seriously, this is not simply about my ongoing spat - there are hundreds of other spats with one point of commonality, and the abuse is flung by that point to many people on a daily basis.   There are people who seem to like that persona and find it entertaining.  I don't geddit.

 Geddit?

 Look, PW, I think you're a mensch.  You don't suffer fools gladly, and you're generally not an ass about it.  Props to you.

 That said, have I made myself more clear?

 (And for a hint about the whole thread, See the Witches of Eastwick, and re-read the subject line in the Jack Nicholson voice.  I thought it was a line that everyone would know.  Silly me.)

 

[PortWine]

Deuce.....don;t leave the game. . The game is fun!  What Biggles does is not very much different than Howard Stern.....you piss a few people off but you force them to think.  I am not defeding Biggles you understand.....but I don;t find him disagreable because he is making us all think.  I like to do the same thing as well.  You explode a "mind grenade" and put people into an uproar!  Make them stretch the wrinkles out of their brain.  If you don;t play the game the people playing get board with you.  Don;t worry about it.  But you will be missed!

PW

[deuce]

PW:

 Thanks, I'm not going to leave shouts, and I understand the "game" aspect of it.

 There are just a few folks that I don't find it fun to play it with anymore.

 I'll still be there, I'll still stick my two cents in, but I just won't be dealing with a handful of folks who play the game not to open minds or have mutual fun.

 Not sure what their motivations are.  But for me, it's just not fun to play with those folks any more.

 It's like a party.  Some guests you put up with as long as you can, and then just gotta escort them out after a while.

 Since I can't do that, I'll just play in a different sandbox, where the kids don't mind playing hard, but still want it to be fun for all.

 You'll be seeing me, in all the old familiar places....

 

[socksey]

I'm with you, DEUCE!  

What IS the attraction to the Biggs, that is appealing enough for at least a few Fibsters to want to follow along and smash a few other Fibsters?  I don't get it either, but then, I'm not into smashing people.

socksey



How can love survive in such a graceless age? - Don Henley

[zoeboy]

This post contains some tough news. It's not pleasant to hear, but it's very important, and it's part of telling the truth. First things first: Biggles argues that FIBS is supposed to be lenient towards pertinacious bohemians. To maintain this thesis, Biggles naturally has had to shovel away a mountain of evidence, which he does by the desperate expedient of claiming that his anecdotes provide a liberating insight into life, the universe, and everything. If you wonder why I take the stance that I do, it's because there is no such thing as evil in the abstract. It exists only in the evil deeds of evil people like Biggles. Here are a few points to ponder:

  1. Biggles's blanket statements are a gangrenous putrefaction that serves only to exercise control through indirect coercion or through psychological pressure or manipulation.
  2. Under the label of "slovenly" are those who, like Biggles, cashier anyone who tries to fight to the end for our ideas and ideals.
  3. To ignore this issue is to interfere with my efforts to raise several issues about Biggles's wild, baleful arguments that are frequently missing from the drivel that masquerades for discourse requently on FIBS.

Those points may at first seem unrelated, but when you connect the dots, it becomes clear that Biggles may be reasonably cunning with words. However, he is completely indecent with everything else.

I can easily see him performing the following ignorant acts. First, Biggles will promote the total destruction of individuality on FIBS in favor of an all-powerful group. Then, he will humiliate, subjugate, and eventually, eliminate everyone who wants to wage war on his version of anarchy.

Let's be realistic: if I withheld my feelings on this matter, I'd be no less foolhardy than Biggles. All such combinations of audacity with ignorance would be supremely ridiculous but for one consideration: He has a talent for inventing fantasy worlds in which his decisions are based on reason. Then again, just because Biggles is a prolific fantasist doesn't mean that we should avoid personal responsibility. In public chat, he vehemently inveighs against corruption and sin. But when nobody's looking, he never fails to usher in the beginning of a choleric new era of ageism.  I am not alone in my disgust with Biggles!

[PortWine]

I'm sorry, I couldn;t take what you were saying seriously because your avatar is boy george!

Please change it and I will read what you have to say.

PW

[snowflakes]

I'm with PW on that one.  zoeboy you officially scare me.

[Kari_Grandi]

For the first time I agree with snow

[diane]

Kari - I refuse to believe you are scared of anything    

[spielberg]

Deuce

Biggles uses low tactics in debate - provided one knows and expects this its very easy to ignore his (more) stupid  provocations - he knows what he's doing and is (often) trying to annoy you. Step back , detach yourself emotionally and refuse to argue with him - I'll debate anything with anyone - what I will not do is argue - its boring and pointless.

[scite]

I also have had issues with Biggles on fibs. Here is another name that could b put on some sort of list here on fibsboard. I believe that the sharing of information of this kind would benefit all!