reputation improvement

[jonesyjt]

I suggest that repbot only accepts vouches or complaints from members that have played a match together.  This helps to eliminate ganging up on new players from buddies of the disgruntled.   If members agree to this idea then this should be a repbot suggestion.  

Comments?

[webrunner]

I don't think that is a good idea.
I want to be able to complain about someone who misbehaves in a match that i watched for instance.
Alsi it is technical very hard to do since Fibs doesn not give access to the played games list.

[socksey]

I suggest that repbot only accepts vouches or complaints from members that have played a match together.

Nice idea, since I advocate only using repbot complaints against droppers, but since it is not programmed that way, you would have to get a programmer to make a new repbot with that in the works.  

However, I confess being in a "gang" who ganged up on some newbie recently who went after one of my friends in shout.  God help me, I even joined the "rat pack" group in this endeavor!   Or, did they join me?  I feel so soiled!  

socksey



"Genius may have its limitations, but stupidity is not thus handicapped." - Elbert Hubbard

[don]

Nice thought, jonesey, but not very practical (as has been pointed out).  The only objective measure is the saved-match list that RepBot accesses ( FIBS saved matches ).  It is nice that RepBot makes it so easy to get the info, or some of it.  But all of the other RepBot functions are purely subjective and, as you point out, liable to misuse and abuse.  I've seen RepBot used as a joke to drive new users away from FIBS.

[Shades]

http://www.fibs.com/savedgames/list.html

:angry:   and even this list ia a joke.... it mention saved games as well as games who have been fully played ( never saved )... everything can be manupulated. If you want to see FIBS as a serious gammon site, start to keep it  up to date !!    

[diane]

and even this list ia a joke.... it mention saved games as well as games who have been fully played ( never saved )... everything can be manupulated. If you want to see FIBS as a serious gammon site, start to keep itÃ,  up to date !!Ã,  

This list is updated once per day - and as far as I have seen - it is very accurate.  The only time it is off a little, is if it updates whilst you are playing a match.  The match you are playing counts as a saved game - so for 24 hours repbot will inform you that you have a saved match with someone you finished playing against hours ago! (If you have the alert function on, as I do).

Today is a case in point - my saved games today are listed as

diane - janela, mgnu_WClass

I was playing with janela this morning at the time the list updated - and the match is now finished - but will remain on the list until tomorrow.  And as for the bot - maybe one day I will catch up with it ...

[jonesyjt]

The only objective measure is the saved-match list that RepBot accesses

As it is now this is true.  A new database would have to be developed that holds ordered pairs of player names (or ID numbers) and a date last played.  Repbot would query this before registering a vouch or complaint.  I don't think the database would be too complicated nor the added query.

[jonesyjt]

guess this is dead

[diane]

The main problem is finding someone willing to do any updates etc to repbot - even if it did seem a popular idea. I could suggest a poll (God help me!!!) to find out firstly if the idea is very popular - then you get task of finding someone who wants to, and can do it

[amarganth]

i find it a very good idea.

repbot uses the active list of unsaved games and the list from the day before. if will count only the match of players in both lists. that's what burper explained to me.

the solution for adding this feature to repbot can be very easy, i think: repbot checks all fibs-messages. one message contains the match-end. something like "player1 wins a n-point-match against player2 n:m". sorry, cannot write the exact message at work.

repbot has only to track the played games:
- add player2 to a list of played games player1
- add player1 to a list of played games of player2

and if someone wishes to complain someone, repbot can check, if the player is on the list of played games.

greetings

amarganth

[diane]

This is very much underway - thanks for you efforts jonsey - it sounds a much improved system.    

[Shades]

This is very much underway - thanks for you efforts jonsey - it sounds a much improved system.  

.... as long as the list DON'T mention saved games that never have been played...

( I have a saved game with BUCKY... never heard of... never played her/him..)..  

[diane]

( I have a saved game with BUCKY... never heard of... never played her/him..).

It could only happen to you shades    

[Shades]

( I have a saved game with BUCKY... never heard of... never played her/him..).

It could only happen to you shades  

....

http://www.marryanamerican.ca/

[jonesyjt]

There have already been revisions to the suggestion.

Here are new ideas.

From the user's point of view, complaining or vouching would be the same.  However, with the aide of another simple database, (using data fibs already collects) repbot could weight vouches/complaints based on:

Were you dropped ----------------- highest weight
Have you played before ---------- average weight
Never played ------------------------ lowest weight

Also, vouches/complaints from member names no longer using fibs would dissappear.

jonesyjt

 

[diane]

I have to say - these sound like fine improvements - and thx for taking them on jonesy, I look forward to using them!

Do you still intend to add weight for 'length of service' as the current system does?

[Shades]

...and do you really believe that the ladies-fibsters will tell you their wight??..  

[jonesyjt]

Diane,

Yes,
what I mean by "weighted" is a percentage of the complainer's experience or "length of service" as it has been called. At this point, I still advocate a maximum limit, but this could be debated.

From the user's point of view, complaining or vouching would be the same. However, with the aide of another simple database, (using data fibs already collects) repbot could weight vouches/complaints based on:

Were you dropped ----------------- highest weight | full experience up to some max.
Have you played before ---------- average weight | some lesser percentage of exp.
Never played ------------------------ lowest weight | even lesser percentage of exp.

Also, vouches/complaints from member names no longer using fibs would dissappear.

jonesyjt

[diane]

It all sounds good - I am curious though - how will repbot know if you have ever played?  I can see how it would check for a saved match -but didnt think there was a way to tell if you simply played and finished a match.

[webrunner]

It would have to save all match result messages that fibs generates. So this database will grow rapidly. Maybe it is even better to generate a second bot for that, lets say a database bot. This way we can use the results for other stuff too.

Just my 1 cent