Dropping (leaving) Instead of losing

[webrunner]

Ronen, i have to ask you to stop this witch-hunt here.
You don't know what you are talking about.
Dorbel is a very well known and respected member of the Backgammon community and he doesn't deserver his reputation being damaged like this.

And he is right, if you don't like his speed (or slowness) you shouldn't play him.
I know you mean well by warning other people but here's a warning: Don't play Ronen becuase he will put you on Fibsboard if you play to slow or loose connection ..

See my point?

[ronen]

webrunner u misjudge my point & myself

If u read carefully what i've wrote on my last post & on the others post as well so i never did such a thing & by imply that u misinterpreted & mislead others concerning myself

I'm a very thorough person & i do check & ask before I post a player name in addition I copy & paste his & mine words so it will be clear.

Its true i dont enjoyed playing slow but i do ask nicely & if the player cant play faster & he is realy slow i wont invite him again or wont accept his

I never & will ever do such a thing as u implied

Now concerning this gentelman - dorbel , he might be as u said but it is not justified 2 drop a match if u being asked nicely 2 play faster as shown in my previouse message, same as by no means u wont accept that someone will do a crime if it is his first one:)

ronen  

[jag]

I realise you are likely to fall back on your excuse of not having English as your first langauge but I don't consider your behaviour towards dorbel polite.

You insulted him and then, once he had left the game, you berated him in shouts.

You accuse dorbel of bad manners but, to me, at the very worst, he was guilty of responding in kind to your unwarranted provocations.

[webrunner]

I realise you are likely to fall back on your excuse of not having English as your first langauge but I don't consider your behaviour towards dorbel polite.

I've said it time and time again.
language is a bigger barrier then most people realize.
here on fibsboard we can communicate and show poeple our real meaning by using smilies     but this is harder on fibs.

I agree with Jag (and i am NOT a native english speaker): You were not very polite.
Having said that i would have probably be not offended by your remarks because i realize how difficult it is to communicate in a language that is not your own.

Still your remark that dorbel was thinking all the time (see your posted chat log) wasn't very nice and polite, even you can see that.

I don't misjudge you Ronen, i think you are def one of the good guys. I simply state that posting every dropper here on fibsboard is not a very good way to make new friends. Instead you make more enemies and people will think twice before playing you.

[socksey]

In Ronen's defense, I've played Ronen and found him to be a very pleasant opponent.   Reading his experiences here with some other players leaves me with some questions as to his grasp of the English language.  

English is a difficult language at best.  Even those who are English speaking, as their first language, have difficulty expressing themselves, as well as  understanding others to perfection.  There will always be misunderstoods.  

My point is that we should keep the lines of communcation open so that a better understanding shall be gained by all.

Who we play and who we don't play backgammon with is a choice we all have the opportunity to make.  All the input in this thread can help determine this choice IMO.

Zoeboy, you take my breath away!  Thanks for making me exercise my brain.  

And to help our understanding along, I will leave you with a famous (or infamous, depending on how you look at things) remark by our current President of the United States.  This may give you some insight on some misunderstoods.    

socksey  




"I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." - George W. Bush

[PortWine]

I speak english and brooklyn.  Both are difficult to master.  If you want tips on learning brooklyn, try watching a vin diesel movie.

[ronen]

Dear Friands,

After reading the last posted here i definitely remained with some unclear issues which i'd appreciate if u guys explain me.

1. In what way my poor English is related to dorbel act of dropping our match

2. Mentioned below is the words with im accused of giving dorbrl his right 2 drop.
   Be real guys are those words so impolite which justified dropping?
   If they were so, then i guess more then 50% of the games here were be ended   as drop out , isnt it? (Wasnt no dirty words nor extreme behavior)
  Do a fast test & ask yourself 2 questions - 1) if u would drop on that case?
  2) Based on your experience here, how many times did u here much dirty & abusive words & still the game was on?
[/QUOTE]You kibitz: it looks like all the time

3. Same as we all condemned Biggle's gang we should condemn webrunner & jeg remarks as it seems like plain politics: as no one can criticized the so called "old good guys" (dorbel) as even the best person can stumbled so does he immuned from being criticized?


4. webrunner, why u asked my 2 stop put here player's name which dropped a match?  If he dropped me without good reason so i thought this is the right place to put his name isnt it? Btw I didnt saw u said something when i put here names of a well known & so called "bad guys" .
I'm sure u dont want 2 run this place same as the old rassia runs its newspapers which just what they want 2 be published was published!

In my short time here (4.5 months) i've played here more then 7000 games (my expr) so I've some history which i can be based upon:

 * I never spoke dirty
 * I never dropped a match
 * I'll continue putting here players name who drop or use dirty & if u want 2 play the role of the old K.G.B so feel free to do it




 

[ronen]

Hi Guys ,

Just remembered one of Jag older comment so I brought it here 4 your judgement.




jag Posted: Aug 19 2004, 10:18 AM  


Awful!


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Is this really what RepBot is for?

I've always assumed RepBot is there to allow fibsters to register complaints about people displaying the more extreme forms of anti-social behaviour on FIBS - dropping and refusing to resume and particularly offensive comments.

Yes holkeri was a bit rude to ronen, but where does his comment rate on the anti-social scale?

Perhaps a 2 out of 10.

I really don't think it was rude enough for someone effectively to put their own reputation on the line by complaining.

To me, these kind of complaints on RepBot (the guy didn't drop and refuse to resume, he didn't swear, he just whinged a bit) negates it's effectiveness.


I paste here holkeri rude words as well as follows:
:" holkeri kibitzes: not just lucky but also stupid, wow what a combination!"

I want 2 understand does my words 2 dorbel r less or higher then holkeri's on the anti-social scale? In addition and as continuation 2 jag last words on the enclosed message above - Dorbel did drop & refused to resume !!!

I rest my case & please reconsidered yours:)

ronen

[jag]

If we take the two comments:

holkeri kibitzes: not just lucky but also stupid, wow what a combination!

I cannot comment on the full conversation you had with holkeri as we have only seen your side of it.

(ronen) You kibitz: it looks like all the time

In context, I would rank them at a quite similar level of insult. You criticised dorbel for slow play and insinuated that it was not for the reasons that dorbel gave, effectively calling him (her?) a liar.

Did you mention before the match started that you like to play quickly? Some people genuinely have a reason for 'slow' play - it may be that they are experiencing server lag, they may like to think about their moves and on occasion look at some alternatives, they may not be loaded up with caffeine and/or amphetamines. You should give such people the opportunity not to commence a match with you.

I do know, however, that you have been quite selective with your choice of quotes in dorbel's case as I personally witnessed your shouts at that time. If you genuinely wanted to resume with dorbel, you might at least have given him (her?) due consideration rather than criticism in an open forum (or two).

3. Same as we all condemned Biggle's gang we should condemn webrunner & jeg remarks as it seems like plain politics: as no one can criticized the so called "old good guys" (dorbel) as even the best person can stumbled so does he immuned from being criticized?

I would appreciate some clarification. In what way are my (and webrunner's) remarks "plain politics" (I genuinely don't understand this term) and why should they be condemned for being so?

[spielberg]

I would appreciate some clarification. In what way are my (and webrunner's) remarks "plain politics" (I genuinely don't understand this term) and why should they be condemned for being so?

Obv this wasn't addressed to me but I suspect , as you probably already know , "plain politics" is an intrinsically self-contradictory criticism of debate.

[diane]

"plain politics" is an intrinsically self-contradictory criticism of debate.

You are trying to help ronen here??    

[spielberg]

No diane - my response was to jag's question remember? Obviously I'd use simpler english to a non-native speaker.

Sunshine in South England - I'm feeling blessed - it may last until Friday (feeling and weather) !

[dorbel]

Dropping is leaving a match that one is just about to lose in order to avoid losing rating points. The match that I left with ronen is 0-0 to 5 with the cube in the middle and a fairly indeterminate middle game position. This is not dropping. Ronen felt that I was playing too slowly for his liking. In the circumstances I felt that it was better for him to seek another opponent, rather than waste his time.
His several posts in this thread and his numerous abusive shouts confirm me in my belief that I was quite right to leave the match. His latest is to accuse me of being a redneck anti-semitic American, which will give those who know me cause for a chuckle! Why on earth does he want to play backgammon with me? What possible pleasure can either of us get from a resumption? It's all very strange.

[Shades]

Why on earth does he want to play backgammon with me?

...YES!!!!...why???    

[ronen]

Dorbel post is full of incorrectness :

1. In which dictionary is written that dropping is because of losing? So if some one is playing fast or a bit slow its ok 2 drop? Dont think so .... and U can find other wired examples as much as u want

2.resh_lakish said that he is anti-semitic not me & i asked him if he is redneck & didnt said he is & it was with a smile as well

3. Why he think i want 2 play with him, he dropped instead of resign so i do care to minimize my saved matches, thats it.

We have a saying that say : " A ston that was thrown 2 a well by a silly guy, even 10 very smart persons wont be able 2 pull back"  

Be well

ronen

P.S: This post is my last one on that case  

[ronen]

Another dropper has been found & his name is silverback

[scite]

I think this is a great service. List all droppers here. Thanks ronen.
They really are quite annoying.

[Zorba]

Two advices from Dr. Zorbphil about this whole Oprah thread:

1. Start drinking heavily :2drunk:

2. The important thing is to enjoy yourself!

3. Death to all droppers and cheaters :hang:

4. I can't count

[Shades]

:angry:    and another bad mouthed dropper :

         Skottha [/size]

      :imwithstupid:   he think he can play.... ( not even with HHIMSELF..!!  )

[Shades]

and another dropper... :


   nandaniteroi