Shouts and Kibitz

[don]

That bot is a parody of some of our resident FIBS-vermin.  There is a problem predating it, as revealed by the response in this thread and many others.

[Kari_Grandi]

Biggles (the most popular fibster)

Wrong:
RepBot: tissot's reputation is 2007118(GOOD)

[Shades]

Biggles (the most popular fibster)

Wrong:
RepBot: tissot's reputation is 2007118(GOOD)

even more : Tissot runs as a swiss clock...!!  

[NIHILIST]

I'm always amused by Don's "contributions" to this forum. In the first place, Don has never particiated in any live tournament, major or minor. He has said repeatedly that his only tourney experience has been on FIBS. So he has no clue what occurs at real tourneys in the way of bad behavior.

Secondly, I take issue with his statement to the effect that there is no solution for bad behavior on FIBS, that Patti will do nothing.

May I remind Don that Patti does in fact take action if the behavior is outrageous enough as was the case when she banned Don for 6 months for harassing female FIBSroids. Before he calls anyone VERMIN, he needs to look in the mirror.

I have observed heated verbal disputes, near fistfights, chairs thrown and losers spitting at winners at major tourneys I've participated in. What you must keep in mind is that there is a lot of money invilved and emotions can run pretty high in big money tourneys, especially as players approach the money rounds.


NIHI

[tapio]

And may i ask in which part of the world this kind of behaviour, what nihi describes, happens?
I have played only in european tournaments and i have never seen or heard that this kind of behaviour happens. My tournament experience is only major tournaments in Europe and also minor tournaments in Scandinavia.

[NIHILIST]

Loud verbal dispute and near fistfight at the 2003 Nordic Open, chair thrown by Jim Pasko at a major tourney in Vegas several years ago, my opponent spitting at me after I won our match at the Istanbul tourney in, I think, 1996.


NIHI

[diane]

OH dear - puts what I have so far seen in the shade - guess I got all this to look forward to.  Having seen the minor disputes I have so far at smaller events - somehow this does not surprise me - those bad dice sure get people wound up, even when they should know better!  

Though the spitting I might have some sympathy with    

[tapio]

Yeah, and that happens all the time
I thought that nihi meant in previous post that it do happens all the time in major tournaments but these have happened during a period of ,,,hmm,,,, over twenty years.
OMG, i am now so scared to attend those tournaments as now i know what really happens there.

Really, that kind of behaviour is not tolerated in any major tournament, directors nor players will not accept it and players who do act badly are not wellcome anymore.

[Shades]

...  my guess is that NIHi only plays in suspect neighborhoods... thats his choice and we have to respect that... what keeps amazing coming from him is the constant hate he shows everytime on behalf of don.... Should I dare to remind him on all the filth and intimidation he shows to everyone OUT of tourneys or games???.. and as far as I know he has never been banned... which is the real shame!!      

[NIHILIST]

Once again Tapio demonstrates that his IQ is about the equivalent of his shoe size. Nowhere did I write that bad behavior occurs at every tourney, only some of the more extreme examples I've observed. I never even touched on some of the cheap, sleazy gamesmanship that occasionally occurs.

Bad behavior is the exception and not the rule.

Obviously math is something not taught in Finnish schools either. The incident at the Nordic Open occurred 2 years ago, the spitting incident 7 or 8.

I'm glad for Tapio that his tourney experiences more closely approximate high tea at the Savoy Hotel.



NIHI

[tapio]

Ahhhhh, tea at Savoy, may i have honey too ?

You are fun, nihi    

[NIHILIST]

Always glad to entertain.



NIHI

[diane]

I have been to two tournaments so far in which a fair amount of money was at stake - in both of those there were 'incidents' (none including me you may be surprised to hear )  - not of a very extreme nature - but the kind of thing that can upset and off balance a player - if they are not prepared for the possibility.  One was as simple as one player making a comment about his opponents move - which degenerated to the point the TD had to be called to watch over the remainder of the match. (as pointed out in the earlier post - really that kind of comment is not necessary, and is perhaps a deliberate act to annoy - who can tell?)

The point of the discussion in this thread is not to be personal and suggest some tournaments are better than others - but to simply draw players attention to the possibility that things arent always smooth - and that you need to be prepared for that - and to be able to retain your composure under some circumstances which maybe dont naturally lead you in that direction.  

Dorbel makes the point that abuse is rare - yet I have heard him utter what could be considered quite an inflammatory remark at a live event - however innocently  it may have been intended.  (If you had just lost a match you expected to win - would "if you dont know why you lost, you will never improve" be in the top ten list of things you wanted to hear?) That is the thing with words - there is almost always something offensive to be found - if you are looking hard enough!

It is the aspiration of most who posted - and I imagine, the majority of those who didnt, that tournaments be friendly, respectful, and fun where possible (even when you get 'go to bed' dice and some half wit knocks you out in the first round   ), but these events are attended by human beings    

[NIHILIST]

This is a variation of the cheap, sleazy gamesmanship I referred to. Dorbel is a well-known practitioner of DO AS I SAY, NOT AS I DO. Several weeks ago he was playing his match in the England/Finland tourney. He led Reima almost the entire match. At regular intervals, Dorbel would shout the score; Dorbel 6-Reima 1, etc. He continued to do this til the score reached 10-1 to 11. Suddeny, Reima began to win........Dorbel 10-Reima 2 and on until it got to 10-6. Dorbel fell silent at that point and never shouted another score as Reima won 11-10.

Gotta be careful of that early gloating.

I was at a Vegas tourney years ago, watching one of the past masters, Arthur Dickman, play his match.

As his opponent slowly got the better of things, Art began to seethe. From then on, after almost every opposing roll/move, Art would offer his sneering comments, like " Your play was my third choice."

I don't even want to get started on Gaby Horowitz and his antics.

Shalom.


NIHI

[tapio]

Heh, nihi wants to keep horo himself as horo is nihi's mentor. :jump2:  

[don]

The  only dissent in this thread is from NIHI and Biggles, both of whom are the subject of this thread more or less.  Neither has much respect for the truth.

As long as they (and other kiddies like them) are tolerated, as long as they get the attention they crave, that's how long we'll be having this discussion.  Many camplain about this behavior when they are the target, yet encourage it when someone else is.  This discussion is over a decade old and counting....

[socksey]

This discussion is over a decade old and counting....

Maybe, don, but I hadn't heard it all before and I'm sure many others haven't either.  

BTW, did everyone hear how Biggles and/or NIHILIST decided I must have used a bot while beating Biggles in a match way back when?   I'll still be telling that story in another decade!  Thx for the memories, guys!  

socksey



"Misery no longer loves company. Nowadays it insists on it." - Russell Baker

[Shades]

BTW, did everyone hear how Biggles and/or NIHILIST decided I must have used a bot while beating Biggles in a match way back when?   I'll still be telling that story in another decade!  Thx for the memories, guys!  

socksey

... are that the same guys who think that cheating is a art  .... as long as they create it??..  

[adamosad]

No, Socksey. I didn't hear that story....

Can u say more?

[don]

I've got to say that I strongly disagree with those who think anything but polite behavior during match play is  OK.  I think the following is a good example of boorish behavior in the FIBS league.  In deference to this site's policies, I have ***ed the pejoratives.

[One of my attempts to communicate with zyxtcba during the current league session, anything in square brackets is added after the fact.  -- don]

Sunday, February 13 05:26:01 MET   ( Sun Feb 13 04:26:01 2005 UTC )

** FINALLY!!! zyxtcba logs in. You're no longer lonesome.

> ** You tell zyxtcba: would you like to play our match now?

zyxtcba says: don: apparently you have ability to play 24/7b due to your lack of a social life.  I do not lack a social life.  It would be more efficient if you allowed me to invite you when I am available.  Do you understand?  This has nothing to do with diane.  And you are still an outstanding scumf***ingbag for accusing me of being a liar without any proof whatsof***ingever.  Certainly your behavior is in violation of Tomawaky rules.  Maybe I should complain like a f***ing pussy too.

> ** You tell zyxtcba: Do I interpret from that rant that you don't want to play our match now?  A simple polite yes or no will suffice.

zyxtcba shouts: don - unlike others, I am not willing to simply dismiss you as a f***ing idiot, ok?

zyxtcba says: don - unlike others, I am not willing to simply dismiss you as a f***ing idiot, ok?

zyxtcba says: so please don't treat me like one either - it is infuriating

zyxtcba says: if that is your purpose then I congrwatulate me

zyxtcba says: sorry - congratulate you

zyxtcba says: but this is not sesame street, ok a**hole?

> ** You tell zyxtcba: a simple polite "yes" or "no" will suffice, I don't know or care about your other concerns.  Would you like to play our match now?

zyxtcba says: f*** you don

zyxtcba says: no respect intended

zyxtcba says: f*** you

zyxtcba says: I care about your accusations that I am a liarzyxtcba says: so f*** you don

zyxtcba says: so f*** you don

zyxtcba says: you created me - don't you get it, dumb f***ing s***?

zyxtcba says: now go complain to Tomawa\ky, ok?

zyxtcba says: I'm sure he misses your pap

zyxtcba says: f*** you runny don

zyxtcba says: you might think it is the height of f***ing amusement to attach your f***ing false accusations of diane's behavior to me - however, you cannot control my reaction don - f*** you don - f*** you, f*** your mom in the mouth with my dick, f*** your dad in the a** with my dick, f*** the rest of your relations in every available orifice with my c##k - do you comprehend my complete and utter disdain for you from this or are you just a goddamend dumb motherf***ing c***sucker after all?

zyxtcba shouts: and I am happy to keep a log of everthing I've said to you

zyxtcba shouts: you created me

zyxtcba shouts: I dunno - I went out with my wife and friends for the last few hours, had drinks, dinner and saw a movie - but don is still an a**hole.

zyxtcba shouts: I log on and his spew is waiting for me in message form

zyxtcba shouts: Message from don: look - I am a dumb motherf***ing a**hole - but I will never admit that in the public window, ok?

[I should point out that I never left any such message for zyxtcba.  He appears to object to my use of the FIBS wait command which I use to identify league players when they log in so I can politely ask them if they want to play.  -- don]

zyxtcba shouts: that was what was waiting for me when I log back in

zyxtcba shouts: so excuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me

zyxtcba shouts: don's silence = agreement

> Message saved: Hi zyx.  I'd like to offer you some advice on FIBS league.  I think you should separate your normal filth and hatred from the league.  I'm suggesting you behave politely when discussing and scheduling matches, and save your invective for other times.  When I ask you if you want to play, a simple "yes" or "no" will do, and if you are polite, perhaps we can discuss when you might like to play.  Thanks for listening.

I concede that behavior like this and worse happens in live tournaments.  It is the exception, not the rule, and should not be tolerated.  Any tournament I've attended has guidelines which should be enforced when regrettably necessary.  (Sorry NIHI, but I've never said I'd played in no live tournaments.  But go ahead and make things up, I'm used to it.)  In the case of FIBS league, if a player cannot be civil while scheduling and playing a match, the player should not be allowed to play in the league.

Those who find this behavior normal and acceptable are simply wrong.