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« on: August 21, 2004, 11:49:31 PM »
Seems we are all going to be swimming in the same pond, so to speak, so maybe we can help each other.  

This is where to place your suggestions.

Maybe, we can hold a training seminar for each, the old and the new.   ;)  

I see the shouts being flooded with tourney after tourney opening but not many joining or having the opportunity to join.  I don't see notices of when a tourney will begin, so as to let players know when they need to be ready.  I don't see notices for anything much except tourney #.  Let's share our experience, and knowledge with these new TD's who want to lighten our load, and in this process, we might learn some new tricks from the new ones.

This is a good place for the players who aren't interested in being a TD, to express what it is they would like to see improved about the tourneys.

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« Reply #1 on: August 22, 2004, 12:24:46 AM »
The first TD's should do is RTFM!!!   :D

Or even better: read the whole site.

 
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« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2004, 05:09:51 AM »
What happened to the post announcing that Tbot was now open access? Did that get removed for some reason? If so, what reason?
I get the impression that there is more infighting going on backstage than actual talk about bg and tournaments. What is happening in the TD cafe? Who are the members and are they purely self selecting?
Is it true that there are plans afoot to ban NIHolympic from the Bagel Olympics and if so on what grounds?
Sounds like Socksey wants to communicate, so no surprise there. Anybody else from the Politburo like to comment?
I ask purely in a spirit of enquiry.

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« Reply #3 on: August 22, 2004, 05:25:02 AM »
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What happened to the post announcing that Tbot was now open access?

see this post for the answer to that question....

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There was fighting - we all got bored - and moved on - new things are being developed to address these issues.  But - one thing we did glean from all the hoo ha is that we will never ever be able to agree on anything.  Maybe that is good - maybe it aint - but it answers yer next question

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Is it true that there are plans afoot to ban NIHolympic from the Bagel Olympics

Well that is like all the rest, we will each do as we feel - and in light of recent shouts - he is banned from any tourney I run (including BagO- and under any nick).  Not cos I am upset - or hurt, or anything else - just cos - you dont insult the TD and expect to play like nothing happened.  (see my post on banning grounds for further info - I dont intend to spell it out over and over)

So - answered - as best I can - anything else??
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« Reply #4 on: August 22, 2004, 11:27:06 AM »
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What happened to the post announcing that Tbot was now open access? Did that get removed for some reason? If so, what reason?
I get the impression that there is more infighting going on backstage than actual talk about bg and tournaments. What is happening in the TD cafe? Who are the members and are they purely self selecting?
Is it true that there are plans afoot to ban NIHolympic from the Bagel Olympics and if so on what grounds?
Sounds like Socksey wants to communicate, so no surprise there. Anybody else from the Politburo like to comment?
I ask purely in a spirit of enquiry.
Dorbel,
the TD Café is dead. There are only a few members left but there is hardly ever any posting. In fact.. the last post dates from 25 july .

So there is nothing going on behind your back, it is all out in the open now.

You could take a look at the fibscommunity website of Burper and Alef. Maybe there is some stuff going on there.
I haven't been there in a while.
 
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« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2004, 11:54:28 AM »
ty diane and webrunner. It is a principle of backgammon tournaments generally that a tournament director may refuse to accept an entry to a tournament from any player without assigning a reason. All tournaments are in effect invitational and that is how it should be. However, in the case of NIHolympic, his entry for the ongoing qualification of Bagolympic has already been accepted, so if he is now to be ejected that is a different story. A director may in the normal course of things, indeed eject a player from a tournament, but that director may not act arbitrarily. He/she must give a reason for so doing and there should be a proper announcement and an appeals procedure to the tournament committee. That is common practice and natural justice. We should be told who is the overall tournament director for Bagolympic and we should be told why he has taken this decision and the player notified should be properly informed. He should also be informed of the correct appeals procedure and we should know which players constitute the appeals committee.  

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« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2004, 12:58:24 PM »
:LOOOL:

Did I mention I do this for fun??

All of that sounds lovely in practice - but I dont speak french - and struggle to make Tomawaky understand the goings on.  Each BagO slot is therefore independant - it has been stated clearly many times across this board now - TDs are independant and run their own tournaments their own way.  If you do not approve of the way a particular tournament is run - or think the TD is poor in some respect - then do not enter their tournaments - find the ones you like - and play in those.  In this arena - where no one is paid, no one has any money invested to encourage them to play by a set of rules - thats the best you are going to get.

I am sure there are more serious sites in which the tournaments are run in a more defined way - and entry fees (even if by way of membership) are charged - and prizes are won.  This is not like that , the TD has no means to elicit cooperation from the entrants - other than by removing them - so that is what happens.  The players have no  control over the TDs - other than by refusing to play with those they dont like.  
Committees, appeals and the like work well irl, and on payed for sites - aint gonna happen here.

So if NIHI is looking to get into my tournaments - he needs to talk to me - and if he can get through a sentence with use of the word sewerc*nt - maybe I will listen.  I suspect he isnt that bothered  :D  
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« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2004, 07:19:21 PM »
Yes I understand all that. I agree that a TD may refuse an entry as my post clearly states. My concern was with what appears to be his retroactive removal after qualifying for the USA team and replacement by boardking. Did that happen or didn't it? If it did happen, who did it and why? You may all be volunteers, but that doesn't give you carte blanche to act in any way that you like does it?
NIHI is habitually rude to people, to me more than most and I can't say that I like him much, but if he is going to be kicked out after qualifying, we and he should be told why in a proper manner.  

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« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2004, 08:06:19 PM »
Diane conveniently overlooks that my shouted insult followed hers. This is typical double-strandard behavior of the clowns that run the alleged tourneys.

It seems perfectly acceptable for her to insult participants, but unacceptable if she receives one in return. Its additionally revealing that I learned of my own banning thru this forum. None of the TDs had the courage to tell me himself.


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« Reply #9 on: August 22, 2004, 08:11:31 PM »
Incidentally, the exchange of insults did NOT take place during a tourney, but in general shouts. So it seems that anyone running afoul of Diane in shouts.....a fairly sizeable group, btw........ is fair game to her capricious actions.


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PS If Diane is willing to apologize, I am as well.
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« Reply #10 on: August 22, 2004, 08:50:21 PM »
Hellooooooooooo!?!?!?!?  This was supposed to be a POSITIVE thread.   :tears:  

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I ask purely in a spirit of enquiry.

The whole tone of your first post, dorbel, was not of "enquiry" but of fanning the fire again.   :angry:

dorbel asks:  
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What happened to the post announcing that Tbot was now open access?

Nothing happened to the thread.  It's still there for you to read.  It is not referring to TBot, tho, but to Tourneybot.  The two are separate entities although they can be used to support each other.   That thread was closed for further comment, because it was becoming a free-for-all flame war like you are trying to make this thread, with some success, I might add.   <_<

dorbel, you certainly seem to have some opinions on TDing.  I am wondering why you haven't joined the TD group yet?  Matt opened up his bot for everyone.  Go for it!   :D

NIHILIST, diane is quite right when she says, we are all volunteers, and that none of us have to put up with any offensive behavior from any of the players.  She's right about most everything else she says, too, but If diane offends you and you don't like her, then simply don't play in her tourneys.  BTW, why haven't you joined the TD group, o, opinionated one?    ;)  

Now, can we please get back to the original subject?  Does anyone have any positive and creative ideas about how to help the new TD's do a better job?

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« Reply #11 on: August 22, 2004, 09:24:47 PM »
Asking questions is not Fanning the Fire. If people can be thrown out of an event for which they are qualified because they are rude to somebody, then that is a matter of concern to all. It may be that the ejection of NIHolympic is a good thing and a fair response to his exchange of insults with diane, but if it is to be carried out quite arbitrarily, without even notifying him then that is at the very least questionable.
I do have many opinions as to how a tournament should be run and if there was a coherent body intent on formulating a code of conduct and implementing it, I would be interested in joining it, but there isn't. Socksey's sad response to my opinions, which were expressed on a point of principle in an entirely disinterested fashion, is typical. Dissent is not sabotage! Criticism is not treason! Now is there anyone prepared to discuss the points that I have raised?

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« Reply #12 on: August 22, 2004, 09:25:12 PM »
I had no idea Bagolympics was HER tourney. And, up to the exchange of insults, we seem to have peacefully co-existed. We were even matched twice in 1 or 2 point tourneys.

I don't become a TD because I am not interested in hosting the kinds of tourneys all of you host. If you enjoy toiling unloved and unappreciated over 1 point "tournaments", that's your concern . It's just not my thing.



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« Reply #13 on: August 22, 2004, 09:38:09 PM »
if you want to play in tournies, do not act like nihilist.
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« Reply #14 on: August 22, 2004, 09:44:39 PM »
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If people can be thrown out of an event for which they are qualified because they are rude to somebody, then that is a matter of concern to all.

If anyone is thrown out of a tourney, they are notified by tourneybot or tbot, whichever the case my be.  There is never a doubt about that being done.

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I do have many opinions as to how a tournament should be run and if there was a coherent body intent on formulating a code of conduct and implementing it, I would be interested in joining it, but there isn't.

There certainly can be.  Join tourneybot as a TD, set your own standards, enforce them, run tourneys.  That's how simple it is.

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I had no idea Bagolympics was HER tourney.
 

Any tourney belongs to the person running it at that time.  If you use the command, tell tourneybot (or tbot) tourney #, you will be given all the particulars of that tourney # including who the moderator/s are.

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I don't become a TD because I am not interested in hosting the kinds of tourneys all of you host

Precisely why you should be a TD, so you can run tourneys to your own liking, and introduce something new and different to our community.  

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« Reply #15 on: August 22, 2004, 10:25:19 PM »
Apparently Socksey, you haven't grasped that I consider your "community" to be a bunch of snxxxxxxxxxxxxt, nxxxxxxxt, oxxxxxxxn fxxxxs. I've seen cxxxxxxxxxxs conducted in a more organized fashion. I'm not interested in contributing a thing to that lxxxr cxxxxy.

Not to belabor the point, but I was NOT thrown out of an ongoing tourney and so advised by TourneyBot. Diane has banned me from FUTURE play, without notifying me, for engaging in an exchange of shouted insults with her.

If you say it is within her right as a TD to do so, who am I to argue ? I remind you that it is this kind of arbitrary behavior that I warned about people engaging in should they ever get the FIBS code. You've already had a taste of the potential chaos when the door was opened to anyone wanting to be a TD.

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« Reply #16 on: August 22, 2004, 10:33:05 PM »
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My concern was with what appears to be his retroactive removal after qualifying for the USA team and replacement by boardking.
Ok - I do not know anything about this. That part of this is Tomawakys responsibility - I had no input there.


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Diane conveniently overlooks that my shouted insult followed hers. This is typical double-strandard behavior of the clowns that run the alleged tourneys.
actually - you insulted inim i believe - and I responded - your insult was uncalled for (for some reason he likes you  :wacko: )  My exact words were 'and here comes another one'  barely on a par with your response!!  Thats fair - I long ago realised you are capable of nastiness way beyond my reach.  And what is alleged, they are tourneys???

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None of the TDs had the courage to tell me himself.

Had a special line all planned out actually - but never mind - this preempted it, I had thought it had got to you via the grapevine - hence the comments - seems I missed the point - not uncommon  :rolleyes:

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Incidentally, the exchange of insults did NOT take place during a tourney, but in general shouts.

I never claimed otherwise.
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« Reply #17 on: August 22, 2004, 10:57:44 PM »
Actually, I don't recall insulting Inim at that time. I very clearly remember logging in, seeing a few of your shouts on my screen, shouting SHALOM to someone, and seeing your shout that " one a**hole logs out, another one logs in. "

THAT is what I responded to. If I take you at your word, from your shouts of that evenng, you'd had rather a lot to drink, hence my shout " Have another drink before you leave, sewerc**t."

However, let's accept YOUR recollection for the moment. As you tell it, I insulted Inim, so you felt compelled to put your nose into something that was no concern of yours. You got a predictable response.

This scenario is typical of the crap I get regularly. It's all fun and giggles when you and your ilk throw rocks at me, but when I throw a bigger rock, you either run to Patti, or ban me from your precious tourneys.


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« Reply #18 on: August 22, 2004, 11:10:30 PM »
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and seeing your shout that " one a**hole logs out, another one logs in. "


 
LOL not even close, poppet   :D

I didnt save it - but plenty saw it  :D

You can throw all the rocks you like - I will keep out of their way - which means I dont let you in the tourneys I am running - it is no big deal - there are others - and you dont much like em anyways.  Why do you always complain about being banned??  You think I am such a pushover I am gonna just take all that on the chin??  And yes - I will always defend my friends - if you choose to see that as me putting my nose in - as you wish. I call it loyalty - but I expect you dont see much of that - with your outlook on life.
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« Reply #19 on: August 22, 2004, 11:15:51 PM »
Is this being productive?  I think not.  If you two want to "throw rocks", do it on messenger or personal message.  Do it here again and I will close the thread.

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