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Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« on: June 26, 2010, 06:13:45 AM »
one vote per user .. results of the poll are shown after you have voted

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Position ID: 33YGEAC+ewMBAA  Match ID: MBmgAAAAAAAA

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Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 09:24:16 AM »
ok - thanks for doing this...now I can show you why I am for embedding the image in either the poll AND the first post OR the first post.

You can see that before I embedded the image into your first post, when I hit reply - I lost all sight of the board..which is what I want to avoid.

When the post is embedded into the first post - I can see it while I am replying.

Now you can 'see what I see' and I hope this clears that up.

Ok - off to think about the poll  ;)
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #1 on: June 26, 2010, 09:24:16 AM »

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2010, 09:29:51 AM »
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »
yes diagram is visible if u sroll down in reply but then u see unspoilered comments  ;)

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #3 on: June 26, 2010, 09:31:26 AM »

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2010, 09:32:01 AM »
no diagram in reply btw)

There is now  ;)
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #5 on: June 26, 2010, 01:15:34 PM »
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #6 on: June 26, 2010, 01:44:10 PM »
that's a great analysis, Zorbro
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diane and stog, i was a couple of hours (or more) late in attaching the image to my first post .. maybe that was why it appears to have not been visible and then seems to have appeared .. i agree, diane, that an image MUST be attached to that original post whether or not it is embedded in the poll question itself

all things considered, i still like the embedded image in the poll question .. i think it makes for much improved readability .. IMHO, the added hassles for the creator are not too difficult to overcome -- but all that is a different subject for a different place ;)
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #7 on: June 26, 2010, 01:54:48 PM »
i still see no pic when i click reply -- unless i scro;; down - which then means i see un-spoilered posts
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #8 on: June 26, 2010, 02:13:57 PM »
not seeing an image while posting a reply is just a "feature" of our interface isn't it? i never suggested that "feature" could be fixed, but now i better understand what you all are talkkng about

for me, the improved readability is all about the embedded board image visibilty WHILE answering the poll question and reviewing the votes .. having the image immediately available and visible there is ALL THERE IS to my suggestions .. it is a very simple and intuitive approach to asking and answering questions about a board position .. but here we go digressing again .. so, let's please move this discussion to On the online match format .. i will cross link to this thread there
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #9 on: June 26, 2010, 03:29:04 PM »
i would just settle for an image as clear as that one!

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #10 on: June 26, 2010, 04:14:18 PM »
not seeing an image while posting a reply is just a "feature" of our interface isn't it? i never suggested that "feature" could be fixed, but now i better understand what you all are talkkng about

for me, the improved readability is all about the embedded board image visibilty WHILE answering the poll question and reviewing the votes .. having the image immediately available and visible there is ALL THERE IS to my suggestions .. it is a very simple and intuitive approach to asking and answering questions about a board position .. but here we go digressing again .. so, let's please move this discussion to On the online match format .. i will cross link to this thread there

I am trying really hard to be helpful and not arbitrarily against change here...but please...what does all this mean???

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not seeing an image while posting a reply is just a "feature" of our interface isn't it?
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for me, the improved readability is all about the embedded board image visibilty WHILE answering the poll question and reviewing the votes .. having the image immediately available and visible there is ALL THERE IS to my suggestions
ok - so where do you suggest, or endorse, or actually do...putting the embedded image into the first post - which is the only place it can go to see WHILE you are replying.

and if this is digression move it - but please answer it.
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 02:20:48 PM »
np, diane .. i appreciate the feedback .. i just worry about boring the socks off others .. for those of us involved in this conversation, i worry about beating a dead horse .. but here goes one more attempt at getting this another step down the road

the issue you've raised regarding not being able to "see" an image at the time of a REPLY is one i had never even considered before .. as i said, it had just become an accepted "feature" to me .. so, once again it seems, we appear to be talking about the same thing, but somehow misfiring on communication

it seems clear to me now that we have three places an image can occur:

1)  IMAGE ATTACHED as a .jpg or .png file to the original post associated with the poll question
2)  IMAGE EMBEDDED WITHIN POLL QUESTION itself as i have done with this problem
3)  IMAGE EMBEDDED WITHIN ORIGINAL POST , as you, diane, have apparently done below (which, btw, i just discovered)

other than using HTML coding, which stog says we cannot do, i can't think of any other way to display the board image ..  so, let's look at the three above in some detail

we have traditionaly resorted to 1) IMAGE ATTACHED for most problems and forum matches ,, more often than not, this has been the only way an image has been made avaialbe .. i objected to it because of having to scroll down through posts (often without spoilers) because i see posts in LIFO order, a different order than you and apparently most others

additionally, the step of enlarging the attached image so i could actually read it is almost always required .. on occassion that step can take up to two minutes on my machine .. i have no clue why it takes so long, but on occasion it does .. most images enlarge in place almost immediately when i double click them,  but some require opening MS Photo Editor and then the file itself .. two minutes is an eternity when i just want to see the damn board to answer the poll question .. thus, my continuing frustration with 1)

on the plus side for 3), is that the file is permanently attached to the post and resident on the FIBS server .. that image will never disappear

the workaround i continuously have proposed is 2) which is clearly demonstrated in this problem .. IMO, it greatly enhances readibility .. yes, it takes a little extra effort on the part of the creator of the poll, but it is, i assert, doable and worth the effort to learn and use .. a drawback to 2) is that it requires a web based server like flckr, which i use .. thus, the image is subject to being temporarily unavailable or even lost .. it is the latter reason why i have consistently also attached a JPG to the original post .. thus, in the past i have used 1) and 2) together

now, with 3) and your example of embedding the board image in the original post itself we have a third option with its own limitations, ie. it requires scrolling down through more recent posts (now in a LIFO order for everyone) to see when composing a reply .. welcome to my world stog -- your comments below are indicative of the problem i have had since day one looking for the attached image in an original post .. 3) also requires access to a web based image server which means it has the same disadvantages as 2)

hopefully i have sumarized the three situations correctly .. it is apparent to me that NONE ARE BETTER THAN THE OTHERS .. nor do any stand ALONE .. some are simpler, some more elegant, but all are limited

so, why not compromise and give up the search for a perfect solution, as it appears there is none?

WHY NOT USE ALL THREE?

USING ALL THREE BOARD IMAGES is my suggestion or endorsement

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2010, 02:20:48 PM »

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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2010, 04:07:08 PM »
on the plus side for 3), is that the file is permanently attached to the post and resident on the FIBS server .. that image will never disappear

a drawback to 2) is that it requires a web based server like flckr, which i use .. thus, the image is subject to being temporarily unavailable or even lost ..

It seems you are missing one point from these remarks.  Don't put the image in FLKR, put it in the gallery here, that way it is available for as long as this board is here.  In the other experiment, I have demonstrated it is possible, and possibly easier than putting it somewhere else.

Give it a try.
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #13 on: June 28, 2010, 06:41:32 AM »
i have noticed that, diane .. i just haven't done it yet .. i just used flckr as an example most folks could relate to .. maintaining all board images at the FIBSboard server may well be the best place for all this and Gb of disk space is relatively cheap, i suppose .. i have been advocating that for a long time .. i was unaware until your posts how much work stog had done here to give us access to storing images .. nonetheless, i am sure it all adds to maintenance and backup issues for stog, but i trust he will let us know when that becomes and issue

so, thanks for continuing to push the dialog and trying new things , diane .. even the angels can do no more
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Re: Cube 122 - Let the race begin?
« Reply #14 on: June 28, 2010, 09:40:05 AM »
there may be issues in using the 'gallery' for the fibsboard matches - please see the 'embedding images' thread in the moderator board

and see example here, which uses the attached pic - simply copied to pollheader http://www.fibsboard.com/index.php?topic=3236.0
« Last Edit: June 28, 2010, 10:09:43 AM by stog »

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